What to do with Carlos Rogers????

dgack · 10-20-2007, 02:49 AM

Yes, with an O-Line built out of bubble gum and bailing wire, a WR corps decimated with hammy and groin injuries, and two beat-up RB's, what to do with a productive member of the secondary that's gone from among the worst in the NFL to among the best in just 5 games this year...

Luxorreb · 10-20-2007, 05:38 AM

Hate to be negative...

Rogers is a first round BUST! OVERRATED and OVERPAID!!!

Love the Redskins, but Carlos doesn't challenge receivers at the line and gets burned easily with the pumpfake. I say trade Rogers asap!

redskinz79 · 10-20-2007, 06:31 AM

Carlos isn't that good. I'd probably start Smootie over this fella. You guys are tryin to argue he's only had 2 mistackles.. remember one mistackle costed us the game. Also.. if you wrap urself around someone, u gotta bring them down. I doubt this guy will even get close to Spring's talent level anytime soon. After Springs retires, we definitely will need to find a true #1 CB.

Smooter · 10-20-2007, 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=jamf;366448]If you don't agree with someone please explain why or don't bother replying.

Sorry next time I feel the urge to reply to something I'll get your permission first.

dmek25 · 10-20-2007, 09:19 AM

good cover corners are hard to come by in this league. so far, Rogers has been pretty good. hopefully he will continue to develope. so the skins can work on getting line help for both sides of the ball

chrisl4064 · 10-20-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

When Shawn Springs retires (which I'm gonna say will be within the next 2-3 years), Carlos Rogers will end up our #1 which gives him plenty of time to continue to get better. Granted he's no Champ Bailey but it'd be pretty dumb to try to look to draft something better now.

please for the love of god do not mention champ bailey around me, i am still fuming about the fact we got rid of him. what is he on his 5th pro bowl this year....

chrisl4064 · 10-20-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Too many vague statements here... "he's pretty good" or "he's not a flop." Come on now. Look at his technique. Rogers is one of the more aggressive corners in the league - look how he flies up to flatten receivers on lateral passes. His initial aggressiveness also bites the d in the ass when he hesitates a bit like in the NY game covering Plaxico.
And that gets to the biggest problem w/ Rogers and why he'll probably NEVER be a #1 corner: Rogers rarely has an eye for the ball and his receiver. His pick happened because he was standing back far enough to see QB and receiver (and he was in Kitna's blind spot). But when Rogers is defending a pass he almost always watches the receiver, which means he'll have relatively few picks over the span of his career and will allow some catches that should have been batted away. This is basically the first thing guys who have been around the league forever judge corners on. You'll see the very best corners watch the ball and "sense" the receiver nearby w/o getting called for PI. Watching the ball yields better pass defense and more INTs. It's pretty simple.

i think this is a skill that can be developed as well. hes got all the right tools, we just need to keep playing him, he will learn, or lose his job.

FRPLG · 10-20-2007, 10:50 AM

Anyone who thinks CR is bad just doesn't know what they are talking about. Is he the best CB in the league? No. Among them? No. Is he a starter for every team in the league? Just about. He is an above average CB who would be hard to replace through free agency without breaking the bank. We clearly have bigger needs when it comes to FA.

jdlea · 10-20-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Anyone who thinks CR is bad just doesn't know what they are talking about. Is he the best CB in the league? No. Among them? No. Is he a starter for every team in the league? Just about. He is an above average CB who would be hard to replace through free agency without breaking the bank. We clearly have bigger needs when it comes to FA.

I agree, but I don't know that the Skins shouldn't look at grabbing a corner somewhere in the draft as long as it is around the 3rd round. I think they need to start getting younger at that position because I don't trust Smoot and Rogers to start and I don't even trust Shawn Springs to play every week. I don't think adding some more, young depth would be a bad idea.

As for Rogers, I've been pretty critical of the guy, but he has stepped it up this year. He probably should have had a pick six on the play to Burress, but he didn't, then he compounded the problem by missing the tackle, it was an all around bad play. He had another blunder against Green Bay, however, I think he has played a lot better this season than last. He's starting to come around to where he has been defending passes. He already has 5 pass defenses this year and one pick that he took back to the house. I'm seeing a lot of improvement in his game this season.

saden1 · 10-20-2007, 11:57 AM

Judging by what GW thinks of him Carlos is fine and isn't going anywhere...hopefully he'll improve over time.

dmek25 · 10-20-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl4064

please for the love of god do not mention champ bailey around me, i am still fuming about the fact we got rid of him. what is he on his 5th pro bowl this year....

you do realize that he didnt want to play here, right?

rypper11 · 10-20-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Luxorreb

Hate to be negative...

Rogers is a first round BUST! OVERRATED and OVERPAID!!!

Love the Redskins, but Carlos doesn't challenge receivers at the line and gets burned easily with the pumpfake. I say trade Rogers asap!

You have to run the play called. Against the Lions, clearly the best D effort of the year, they were straight zone all afternoon and gave up the first five yards on almost every play. If CR had challenged receivers at the line he would have been out of position and given up a big play. I'd rather win games than make a fan who doesn't know the play call happy.

Sean Taylor · 10-20-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NFLNetwork

I know its his 3rd season, and he's looked "ok" this year, although that depends on who you ask...BUT do you think we'll keep this experiment going or look to draft or free agency next year???

I'm asking because this guy is, at best, a #2 corner. How much longer can we hang on to this flop of a draft pick when their are other good corner available (FA or draft).

Dude we play Az tomo can't this wait? He missed that tackle against GB but he's solid and why move him? Springs is older and Rogers our number 1 guy out there when his heads into it. This year he's is much better position on the pass and lets see what happens tomo.

bertoskins2 · 10-20-2007, 01:16 PM

carlos has a good attitude and will only get better............who do you want pacman jones..............talented but troublesome...............nah this is redskins......and attitude and hardwork is more important...........

dblanch66 · 10-20-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

you do realize that he didnt want to play here, right?

Exactly. If I remember correctly, he was offered a pretty good contract which he turned down. The contract from Denver wasn't much more than what the Skins offered. I don't have the numbers but maybe someone here does.

10-20-2007, 02:49 AM	#16
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? Yes, with an O-Line built out of bubble gum and bailing wire, a WR corps decimated with hammy and groin injuries, and two beat-up RB's, what to do with a productive member of the secondary that's gone from among the worst in the NFL to among the best in just 5 games this year... __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson

10-20-2007, 05:38 AM	#17
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? Hate to be negative... Rogers is a first round BUST! OVERRATED and OVERPAID!!! Love the Redskins, but Carlos doesn't challenge receivers at the line and gets burned easily with the pumpfake. I say trade Rogers asap! __________________ ^21^

10-20-2007, 06:31 AM	#18
redskinz79 Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seoul, Korea Age: 45 Posts: 76	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? Carlos isn't that good. I'd probably start Smootie over this fella. You guys are tryin to argue he's only had 2 mistackles.. remember one mistackle costed us the game. Also.. if you wrap urself around someone, u gotta bring them down. I doubt this guy will even get close to Spring's talent level anytime soon. After Springs retires, we definitely will need to find a true #1 CB.

10-20-2007, 08:13 AM	#19
Smooter Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Age: 41 Posts: 965	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? [QUOTE=jamf;366448]If you don't agree with someone please explain why or don't bother replying. Sorry next time I feel the urge to reply to something I'll get your permission first.

10-20-2007, 09:19 AM	#20
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? good cover corners are hard to come by in this league. so far, Rogers has been pretty good. hopefully he will continue to develope. so the skins can work on getting line help for both sides of the ball __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-20-2007, 10:50 AM	#23
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? Anyone who thinks CR is bad just doesn't know what they are talking about. Is he the best CB in the league? No. Among them? No. Is he a starter for every team in the league? Just about. He is an above average CB who would be hard to replace through free agency without breaking the bank. We clearly have bigger needs when it comes to FA.

10-20-2007, 11:57 AM	#25
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? Judging by what GW thinks of him Carlos is fine and isn't going anywhere...hopefully he'll improve over time. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

10-20-2007, 01:16 PM	#29
bertoskins2 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Age: 51 Posts: 260	Re: What to do with Carlos Rogers???? carlos has a good attitude and will only get better............who do you want pacman jones..............talented but troublesome...............nah this is redskins......and attitude and hardwork is more important...........

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