The reason GW DIDNT want the job

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

The result: we have a previous QB coach with no head coaching experience in any capacity on his resume, who was going to be passed over for the OC position in seattle when Mora takes over next year anyways. (From JLC's blog).

Alright for starters, the reason Zorn was going to be passed over for the OC job in Seattle was because Mora was going to rely on the Good Ole' boy network and bring in the man who turned Vick into an elite WC QB, Gregg Knapp.

[Joe Ribbs BBQ]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Alright for starters, the reason Zorn was going to be passed over for the OC job in Seattle was because Mora was going to rely on the Good Ole' boy network and bring in the man who turned Vick into an elite WC QB, Gregg Knapp.

Vick was an Elite QB??? I wouldnt go that far, maybe an Elite Athlete

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

I would compromise my source by naming names.

Unnamed sources = media talk for "I made it up"

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Oh so now GW didn't want the job, despite interviewing multiple times and saying he wanted the job.

I get it now.

Thank God Matty ,I thought it was just me.:frusty:

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by rypper11

GW is a polarizing guy. For every Fletcher who runs through walls for him, you have a Pierce who can't wait to get away from him and succeed elsewhere to prove him wrong. If your info is true (and I question posts like this with no sources other than a guy I know) then it means that he will probably never get to be a good HC. Only coaches with previous rings and almost universally accepted clout are given final say over personnel.

How do you know Antonio Pierce wanted to get away?

Williams is the coach who helped catapult his career and they had a great working relationship.

Pierce not staying was attributed primarily to the front office's undervaluation of him.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Joe Ribbs BBQ

Vick was an Elite QB??? I wouldnt go that far, maybe an Elite Athlete

Lol, it was sarcastic.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

What I don't get is people seem to think Snyder and Cerratto don't want and wouldn't strongly value the opinions of a head coach with regards to any kind of personnel decisions. It's not like they will say to Zorn hey why don't you take the week off during the draft. We got it taken care of. Having a GM with lots of power and an overbearing owner isn't some new concept in the sports world.

True, I noted in a previous thread recently that if you take a look back at snyder's tenure there has been a progression of sorts w/his coaches. In 01 Marty was given full control but DS didn't like that. So he fired Marty & brought vinny back. He hired spurrier & suddenly we get a bunch of gators. Obviously, Spurrier had a hand in signing them.

Then, Gibbs comes back & from all reports & appearances, it seems he had quite an impact on decisions to say the least. Of course Gibbs was also team prez & Snyder's idol, so his situation may be incomparable to anyone else.

However, I think snyder has shown some maturity in facilitating the collective minds of his head coaches & vinny, and I expect to see offensive players that meet Zorn's overall approval.

The real questions about the GW issue to me are;

if JLC is correct in stating that Blache has essentially been guaranteed full authority over defensive personel (whatever that means), was GW not given this same power in their negotiations? Did DS feel he had to give Blache that much power to keep him, even if he refused to do so w/GW?

What are the limits of Vinny's power vis a vis Blache? I would imagine he would overide Blache on personel acquisition, but Blache would have full say over who makes the team or gets cut.

[Joe Ribbs BBQ]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Lol, it was sarcastic.

thanks for pointing that out, with sarcasm not being very clear sometimes and some of the posters on this site leave comments so ambiguous that who knows whate everything means, lol, either way.... HTTR and is it August yet!?!?!?!

[SKINStoWIN]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

What I don't get is people seem to think Snyder and Cerratto don't want and wouldn't strongly value the opinions of a head coach with regards to any kind of personnel decisions. It's not like they will say to Zorn hey why don't you take the week off during the draft. We got it taken care of. Having a GM with lots of power and an overbearing owner isn't some new concept in the sports world.

Very well said.

[ingibbswetrust]

Originally Posted by Buster

Unnamed sources = media talk for "I made it up"

From the same source (who is friends with Snyder)...i called it a week before it was public.

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...-hof-game.html

Believe me or not, but this is why GW didn't "fit" (Snyder) or "work out" (Gibbs). You guys treat JLC's blog like its the bible; but 75% of everything he reports is from "league sources", "sources close to the situation", "team official who asked not to be identified"...news flash...this is how information disseminates in today's media.

[SmootSmack]

Washington Times (Feb. 3)
First Down - - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

"The duo will be inducted Aug. 2 in Canton, Ohio, with the Redskins likely to play in the annual Hall of Fame Game the following day."

I wouldn't exactly say it wasn't public when you called it...but hey, if you've got a good source that's great. Just be sure to respect the trust they have in you.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

I would compromise my source by naming names. He was at Snyder's super bowl party in arizona, at the press conference this past week at redskins park and is very close to a number of people within the organization. You can take the info however you want, just putting it out there.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

From the same source (who is friends with Snyder)...i called it a week before it was public.

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...-hof-game.html

Believe me or not, but this is why GW didn't "fit" (Snyder) or "work out" (Gibbs). You guys treat JLC's blog like its the bible; but 75% of everything he reports is from "league sources", "sources close to the situation", "team official who asked not to be identified"...news flash...this is how information disseminates in today's media.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

And "compromising your source"? Are we suddenly dealing with international spies? Is this the CIA or NSA handling football information? It sure would be a dark day if your "source" were uncovered in the field and then tortured for his misdeeds.

You are right about JLC, and frankly it's why I don't put a lot of stock in his blog. It's the same for the guys who pick stocks - make dozens and dozens if not hundreds of predictions, when one finally comes true point it out to everyone and hold it up as a shining example of your keen insight, failing to mention the other 99% that turned out to be completely bogus.

The bullshit people can spout on the internet with zero accountability is really amazing.

[NM Redskin]

Why are you guys bagging on ingibbswetrust so much? He was right and has a source, let it go.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Why are you guys bagging on ingibbswetrust so much? He was right and has a source, let it go.

He was right about what, exactly?