Eli Manning vs Jason Campbell

[irish]

Originally Posted by saden1

Super Bowl vs No Super Bowl.


I need to see a Super Bowl god damn it!

Super Bowl?! How about JC getting to the playoffs.

[skindeep]

good thread. jc stats just show a superbowl in his future, provided stability. a few plays here and there, we would have been in the playoffs. granted that

[skindeep]

granted thats jc job. so with that i see a great chance of burgandy and gold in febuary.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I hope everyone out there believes the same thing,they will be surprised!The Giants beat some good teams last year "WITHOUT BURRESS"...yes I said without BurressI,now I'm not denying that the Giants will miss him but I think they will miss Toomer more.He was more of someone Eli could count on.People said that after (first) Tiki and then Shockey left Eli would fold...didn't happen and the same will happen this year .There will be situations you would love to have Burress and Toomer both back but I agaree it's time to see if what we have can step up and play.Lets not forget the otherside of the ball either.......games are just not lost or won by just the O only.Defense is why Eli won some of those game and is why Jason lost some of those games,it's a team sport,I still think you'll see NY go deep more often to stop the 8"in the box" theory and the run game again will surprise some people...Ware is good.

Really dude? You guys went 1-4 without Burress, and in those 5 games, Eli only threw 1 TD to a WR. After Plax's suspension, Eli went 0-4 in the last 4 games of the season with ZERO TDs to WR. BTW, Toomer was healthy for all of those games. So please tell me why Eli will miss Toomer more than Plax. Seriously. Know your own team at least.

[NYCskinfan82]

I've grown to like Eli he works good in his system, i beleive JC in the same system for the 2nd yr will be much better but i beleive his 3rd yr will be the year althought i do beleive we could make the SB this year.

[NYCskinfan82]

please excuse the t on the end of although

[sportscurmudgeon]

I am one of the folks who thinks that Jason Campbell can be a really good NFL QB and that he has gotten better each season he has played here.

Having said that, if you want to compare him to Eli Manning at this point, you have to look through the stats and not just at the stats.

Eli Manning has - on more than a few occasions - taken the Giants down the field for the winning score at the end of games. He has done it in the regular season; he has done it in the playoffs; he did it in the Super Bowl. The biggest "hole" in Jason Campbell's resume at the moment is that with the game on the line, he doesn't always deliver. Too many red zone INTs.

Up until the start of the 2009 season, Eli Manning is the better QB of the two. That may not be the way fans view these two QBs at the ends of their careers but that has to be the case right now.

Happy 4th of July...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I am one of the folks who thinks that Jason Campbell can be a really good NFL QB and that he has gotten better each season he has played here.

Having said that, if you want to compare him to Eli Manning at this point, you have to look through the stats and not just at the stats.

Eli Manning has - on more than a few occasions - taken the Giants down the field for the winning score at the end of games. He has done it in the regular season; he has done it in the playoffs; he did it in the Super Bowl. The biggest "hole" in Jason Campbell's resume at the moment is that with the game on the line, he doesn't always deliver. Too many red zone INTs.

Up until the start of the 2009 season, Eli Manning is the better QB of the two. That may not be the way fans view these two QBs at the ends of their careers but that has to be the case right now.

Happy 4th of July...

Has he, though? Let's exclude their 2007 playoff run, for a second. How far back would I have to go to find an Eli Manning 4th quarter comeback win? I can't remember his last job in the regular season. I guess he beat Carolina in overtime...one of those teams had to win.

Last year, I just think it was the Giants dominating everyone they played. Maybe he has a comeback win or two in 2007, but Campbell won the Saints game.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Gtripp:

Manning has done it to the Eagles twice...

[redskinjim]

our defense is going to be better than last year and looks like the best weve had in years.but the offense looks the same as last year way to many 3 and outs.

[redskinjim]

i just pray that cambell finds his groove and proves everyone wrong.we have to pray because jason aint mcnabb and i dont think he can win games in the nfl

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Has he, though? Let's exclude their 2007 playoff run, for a second.

Why, I mean why exclude ...the very facts that prove you wrong?And just for the record ,never said Plax didn't have talent but the Giants did win without him,don't just look at the games he was suspended,look at all the games and see if he was even on the field you will se he was playing like crap even when he was on the field last year.
Now to answer someone else's question...."who do the Giants have that other teams are afraid of"....I don't know but the fun thing is noone else does either,guess you must have to cover everyone then.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Why, I mean why exclude ...the very facts that prove you wrong?And just for the record ,never said Plax didn't have talent but the Giants did win without him,don't just look at the games he was suspended,look at all the games and see if he was even on the field you will se he was playing like crap even when he was on the field last year.
Now to answer someone else's question...."who do the Giants have that other teams are afraid of"....I don't know but the fun thing is noone else does either,guess you must have to cover everyone then.

Because the question was, "how far would you have to go back to find an Eli comeback win." If you're even getting to 2007, that would be a "longer than Campbell" answer.

Apparently, Eli did throw a TD or two in the fourth quarter last year, which 1) surprised me, and 2) depending on how charitable you are with the definition of "game winning drive", might answer my question.

Which I think, is a legitimate thing to ask if we're talking about clutch ability.

[djnemo65]

If Asante Samuel can just manage to hold onto the ball in the Superbowl then we would be talking about Eli as one of the all time choke artists. He comes back on the next play and throws the luckiest pass in NFL history and now he'll probably go down as a clutch player.

In terms of skills the two players are somewhat similar although Eli has certainly had a more talented team. That being said, Eli has clearly underperformed as the number 1 pick. When you consider what the Giants gave up to get him, as well as the 100 million or so they are likely to spend to keep him this year, JC is clearly the better value, for whatever that's worth.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

If Asante Samuel can just manage to hold onto the ball in the Superbowl then we would be talking about Eli as one of the all time choke artists. He comes back on the next play and throws the luckiest pass in NFL history and now he'll probably go down as a clutch player.

In terms of skills the two players are somewhat similar although Eli has certainly had a more talented team. That being said, Eli has clearly underperformed as the number 1 pick. When you consider what the Giants gave up to get him, as well as the 100 million or so they are likely to spend to keep him this year, JC is clearly the better value, for whatever that's worth.

Excellent point.