Chicagoschool principal outlaws brown bag lunches.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I dont think its hyperbole. Its a very fitting term AFAIC.
Our childrens lunches are being policed.
A government official is telling us what we may or may not feed our children.
Thats overblown govt and its big govt and its utter bullshit.
We do not need a govt appointed meal nanny.

C'mon. We're talking about control of school lunches in limited places.

This is nowhere near the same as complete government control of the media, the internet, publishing houses, the judiciary, and entire school curricula, with secret police embedded to tattle-tale on their neighbors.

[JoeRedskin]

First, I agree that this an overly intruisive govt. action. At the same time, it does not transform either the US, the state of North Carolina or even the Hoke County school board into a "police state". If it did, the mother would currently be in jail for voicing an opinion contrary to the school board's position and the local papers shut down.

Call it what it is so that it can be properly dealt with: An overly intruisive govt. action caused by legitimate civic concern about the national youth obesity epidemic. THEN, we can rationally see if there are ways to address the underlying group concern in a way that maximizes individual liberty.

I recognize that doesn't have the sexiness of comparing an over zealous school board to nazis, but it just might lead to a rational and intelligent resolution of the issue. Silly me to hope for such a result.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

C'mon. We're talking about control of school lunches in limited places.

This is nowhere near the same as complete government control of the media, the internet, publishing houses, the judiciary, and entire school curricula, with secret police embedded to tattle-tale on their neighbors.

I agree.
However baby steps turn into giant steps.
If I wanted some govt twit to check my childs lunch I would of asked.
Until I do they need to back off and do something a lot more constructive with my tax money.

Call it what you want but it seems like the police and the govt get more power every year.
Next thing you know you cant throw a frisbee on a beach....oh wait....

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I agree.
However baby steps turn into giant steps.
If I wanted some govt twit to check my childs lunch I would of asked.
Until I do they need to back off and do something a lot more constructive with my tax money.

Call it what you want but it seems like the police and the govt get more power every year.
Next thing you know you cant throw a frisbee on a beach....oh wait....

LOL

I agree with the fact that we are ceding more individual liberties to the government. BUT, in saying that, let's characterize "the Government" correctly. More and more, group rights are trumping individual liberties. Part of that is natural and necessary for a society of 300,000,000 to live and work together. Some of it is through laziness, some of it is b/c people on both sides rely on hyperbole, demagougery and emotional rhetoric that doesn't properly frame the question.

You want to protect individual liberty? Then frame the question properly - where do the rights of the group stop ('cause they/we have them) and the rights of the individual begin. Calling people nazis and part of police state plays into the hands of the "group rights" crowd because, underlying these intrusions is almost always a legitimate societal concern:

"Were not evil nazis, that's just a bunch of right wing scare tactics. We are just trying to make sure all of our kids are eating healthy lunches to combat the epidemic of youth obesity - which, by the way, these right wingers fail to mention is harming our children and costing us billions in health care dollars."

[Alvin Walton]

I don't care for scare tactics either and the police statement I made was just sarcasm.

In this case the govt is supplementing or changing parental control with their own version of it.
I wouldnt have a problem with govt diet eggheads trying to educate more parents regarding child obesity.
But in this case they are literally taking potato chips out of kids hands and forcing carrot sticks into them.
efff that!

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Here's another article on the same subject.
The school had the nerve to charge the parent for the forced lunch.
Maybe instead of schools they should be called govt re-education facilities.

Preschooler's home-made lunch replaced with 'nuggets' : News : NorthwestOhio.com

[JoeRedskin]

I agree with your position, it was just the characterism of the action with which I disagreed. Call it semantics but, to me, words and definitions - particularly in emotionally charged debates - are important.

The school lunch thing is really out of hand. I get the concern but somewhere, somehow some over zealous little bureaucrats are running rampant. I would be on the phone to my rep & the papers and be filing an injunctive action and a FOIA request to make that little bureaucrats life a living hell. City hall can be fought, you just need to be persistant, paper it up and hit'em where they hurt - i.e. make SOMEONE claim responsibility for it. As soon as someone - bureaucrat or politician - gets held accountable, watch how fast they move to change their unpopular position.

[firstdown]

I have a good idea. Get these fat ass lazy kids off their ass playing video games and get them outside doing something. The food is not the problem its the lazy parents and lazy kids. What happend to gym. Back when I was a kid we played dodge ball and that made the fat kids the targets but they had to move to dodge the balls. When I think back to the 80's we really only had chubby kids and I don't remember any really fat kids like we have today. Maybe it was because they got their excersize from dodging balls and running from the mean kids.

[los panda]

i spray a fat kid with the hose every two weeks when my friend passes a grade

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by los panda

i spray a fat kid with the hose every two weeks when my friend passes a grade

Will someone translate that please.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Will someone translate that please.

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[firstdown]

Well it seems to be starting.

Preschooler's Homemade Lunch Replaced With Nuggets | Fox News

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well it seems to be starting.

Preschooler's Homemade Lunch Replaced With Nuggets | Fox News

Thats not an addtional incident.
Same school/kid I posted above.

[724Skinsfan]

Much ado about nothing...


A North Carolina Non-Troversy? — The League of Ordinary Gentlemen

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Much ado about nothing...


A North Carolina Non-Troversy? — The League of Ordinary Gentlemen

Those articles seem contradict themselves. They say they don't go through the childrens lunch bags but they monitor what they are eating. So while they might not be reaching in the lunch bag and removing its contents they are viewing the contents at some point. I also don't buy that they then just offer them additional foods to supliment their lunch. If thats true. Then they just sit by when a child is sucking down a soda and other junk and not touching the meal they also try to provide. Right. Also if they only provide whats missing then why did the child eat the chicken nuggets because she had a turkey sandwish witch provided meat. The only thing I can see the mother left out was a vegetable. Maybe the schools need to get back to teaching and not feeding because they are failing at that.