O Line

BDBohnzie · 11-21-2005, 12:34 PM

With Patten out, max protect doesn't work. Moss gets double and triple covered, and Brunell is forced to look elsewhere. The problem is Brunell is too comfortable with Moss, and has a hard time checking down. That, and his checkdown, Cooley, is starting to see more coverage as well. The guys who need to step it up now are Thrash and Jacobs. They both have decent speed to stretch the field.

The O-Line is doing a good job this year. Dockery is the weak link, but his potential far outweights the mistakes thus far. The entire line can't be all-pros.

The D-Line wasn't built to be a pressure line, and not having Griffin (the only pressure threat) is hurting them. Wynn and Daniels are solid guys, just not great pass rushers.

CrazyCanuck · 11-21-2005, 02:17 PM

I agree with this thread.

The #1 thing that stands out for me is the difference in pressure coming from both teams' front 4. Every play there's a guy in Brunell's face, and on the flip side, we send the house and get ZERO pressure. It's really starting to catch up with us.

We all know our D line is below average especially generating a pass rush, but I'm more disappointed in our O-line. This is supposed to be the strength of this team and they are inconsistent at best. Not even sure who the culprit is, seems like a different guy getting burned every week.

joethiesmanfan · 11-21-2005, 06:49 PM

wait a minute the last sack was jansen getting smoked by a linebacker.. number 56..

BigSKINBauer · 11-21-2005, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

wait a minute the last sack was jansen getting smoked by a linebacker.. number 56..

jansen has been giving up a couple lately, he will come around or i'll send my boys to break his thumbs

joethiesmanfan · 11-21-2005, 07:00 PM

i am sure he will come around the skins are just inconsistant lately one week the defense dont show up the next week the offense dont show up..

skins009 · 11-21-2005, 07:25 PM

One thing is for sure, we need to get rid of Derrick Dockery, he sucks real bad. Our D-line is really missing Griffen right now. I really don't know why we don't rush Lavar more on the outside.

SUNRA · 11-21-2005, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I've been wanting to say this for a long time. The O-line is not very good. They are average. The D-line is really flawed. Our Defensive Ends are a joke. It's not even something to debate. The lines are the key to this game and we all know it. The problem with this team is the line. O and D. The line on both sides is B-league.

I was taught by many coaches that the game is won at the line of scrimmage. You could not be further from the truth. Our O line has been the reason for every sack that resulted in a fumble. Brunell can't be charged with holding on to the ball too long because he will throw it away. But when defenders are hitting him from his blind-side while Samuels is watching helplessly, its a shame. Chris Cooley has been horrible at blocking and yesterday was no difference. Cooley missed the block on Simeon Rice last week and threw his Gatorade cup in disguss because of his failure to protect. He has to play blocker as well as he catches the ball.

SmootSmack · 11-21-2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUNRA

I was taught by many coaches that the game is won at the line of scrimmage. You could not be further from the truth. Our O line has been the reason for every sack that resulted in a fumble. Brunell can't be charged with holding on to the ball too long because he will throw it away. But when defenders are hitting him from his blind-side while Samuels is watching helplessly, its a shame. Chris Cooley has been horrible at blocking and yesterday was no difference. Cooley missed the block on Simeon Rice last week and threw his Gatorade cup in disguss because of his failure to protect. He has to play blocker as well as he catches the ball.

Aren't you agreeing with wilsowilso that the O-line is a problem? And doesn't Jansen cover the blindside, not Samuels?

12thMan · 11-22-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skins009

One thing is for sure, we need to get rid of Derrick Dockery, he sucks real bad. Our D-line is really missing Griffen right now. I really don't know why we don't rush Lavar more on the outside.

I'm not sure I totally agree with you about Dockery. Seems to me he's cut down drastically on holding and false start penalties.

In fact, the costly sacks this year have come on Jansen/Samuels. And against Oakland, one of Burgess' sacks was a missed assignment by, what I could see, Randy Thomas. And he constantly pressured from the outside.

I'm not a big Dockery fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I've made it a point to single him out this year and I think he's been solid at best.

Bottom line, we can nit-pick all day, but the line as a unit isn't playing well this year, especially late in the games.

railcon56 · 11-22-2005, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm not sure I totally agree with you about Dockery. Seems to me he's cut down drastically on holding and false start penalties.

In fact, the costly sacks this year have come on Jansen/Samuels. And against Oakland, one of Burgess' sacks was a missed assignment by, what I could see, Randy Thomas. And he constantly pressured from the outside.

I'm not a big Dockery fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I've made it a point to single him out this year and I think he's been solid at best.

Bottom line, we can nit-pick all day, but the line as a unit isn't playing well this year, especially late in the games.

great name i saw ur flag at the game sunday was awesome

celts32 · 11-22-2005, 09:50 PM

Our O-line was a trainwreck on Sunday.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2005, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celts32

Our O-line was a trainwreck on Sunday.

How? The running game looked good. The passing game looked bad, but I think that was more of a reflection of no one getting open.

railcon56 · 11-22-2005, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

How? The running game looked good. The passing game looked bad, but I think that was more of a reflection of no one getting open.

I'm with you on this one in fact portis is getting more yards every week... i really didnt see pressure well ok the last play but i didnt see the poor line play....

12thMan · 11-23-2005, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

great name i saw ur flag at the game sunday was awesome

It's all about the 12thMan, baby.....

dmek25 · 11-23-2005, 08:16 PM

i think we have a o line that is much more comfortable run blocking versus pass blocking.and getting on coach for only sending 2 receivers out on routes and not getting open,isnt that what they are paid to do?

11-21-2005, 12:34 PM	#16
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: O Line With Patten out, max protect doesn't work. Moss gets double and triple covered, and Brunell is forced to look elsewhere. The problem is Brunell is too comfortable with Moss, and has a hard time checking down. That, and his checkdown, Cooley, is starting to see more coverage as well. The guys who need to step it up now are Thrash and Jacobs. They both have decent speed to stretch the field. The O-Line is doing a good job this year. Dockery is the weak link, but his potential far outweights the mistakes thus far. The entire line can't be all-pros. The D-Line wasn't built to be a pressure line, and not having Griffin (the only pressure threat) is hurting them. Wynn and Daniels are solid guys, just not great pass rushers. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

11-21-2005, 02:17 PM	#17
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: O Line I agree with this thread. The #1 thing that stands out for me is the difference in pressure coming from both teams' front 4. Every play there's a guy in Brunell's face, and on the flip side, we send the house and get ZERO pressure. It's really starting to catch up with us. We all know our D line is below average especially generating a pass rush, but I'm more disappointed in our O-line. This is supposed to be the strength of this team and they are inconsistent at best. Not even sure who the culprit is, seems like a different guy getting burned every week.

11-21-2005, 06:49 PM	#18
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: O Line wait a minute the last sack was jansen getting smoked by a linebacker.. number 56..

11-21-2005, 07:00 PM	#20
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: O Line i am sure he will come around the skins are just inconsistant lately one week the defense dont show up the next week the offense dont show up..

11-21-2005, 07:25 PM	#21
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Re: O Line One thing is for sure, we need to get rid of Derrick Dockery, he sucks real bad. Our D-line is really missing Griffen right now. I really don't know why we don't rush Lavar more on the outside.

11-22-2005, 09:50 PM	#26
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: O Line Our O-line was a trainwreck on Sunday. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

11-23-2005, 08:16 PM	#30
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: O Line i think we have a o line that is much more comfortable run blocking versus pass blocking.and getting on coach for only sending 2 receivers out on routes and not getting open,isnt that what they are paid to do?

O Line

Locker Room Main Forum