O Line

wilsowilso · 11-20-2005, 05:42 PM

I've been wanting to say this for a long time. The O-line is not very good. They are average. The D-line is really flawed. Our Defensive Ends are a joke. It's not even something to debate. The lines are the key to this game and we all know it. The problem with this team is the line. O and D. The line on both sides is B-league.

RedskinRat · 11-20-2005, 05:43 PM

You think they're THAT good? I don't...I think B League would be an improvement.

itvnetop · 11-20-2005, 05:44 PM

the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

Longtimefan · 11-20-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

I agree, and what compounds our D line woes is the fact they have to play so many snaps because they can't get off the field. We can't generate a pass rush which enables the opposition to convert too many 3rd downs. Having to play 90+ snaps a game is far too many.

Gmanc711 · 11-20-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

I really think its a combination of things, from scheme all the way down to personal play. It just always seems like one of them is f'n up at one point or another.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-20-2005, 10:23 PM

I don't think our offensive line has been all that offensive. It's not like Brunell was sacked 10, 5, 4, or even 3 times. Plus, the run-blocking was decent.

Why are people bashing the offensive line now? Because Robert Royal whiffed on a few blocks?

Beemnseven · 11-20-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The D-line is really flawed. Our Defensive Ends are a joke.

Hey, lay off the defensive ends. The fact that they have one combined sack through 10 games is just part of the system.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-20-2005, 10:28 PM

I think it's because Brunell didn't have sufficient time most of the day. The sacks weren't there, but the pressure most certainly was.

Beemnseven · 11-20-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think it's because Brunell didn't have sufficient time most of the day. The sacks weren't there, but the pressure most certainly was.

I'm not so sure. It seemed, especially late in the second half, that receivers just weren't getting open. The go-routes to Jacobs all failed, Moss got shutdown, and Cooley started getting contained. While there certainly was pressure, it wasn't to the point that Brunell was being "harassed."

Are there any stats available for quarterback pressures?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-20-2005, 11:30 PM

Brunell seemed to hang on to the ball an awfully long time on a lot of plays. I couldn't see whether the wideouts were getting open (as I was watching on TV), but he didn't seem to be under too much pressure.

So who exactly isn't doing their job on the O-line? Again, I think people are attributing blame to the O-line that should fall elsewhere.

Rockinganker · 11-20-2005, 11:53 PM

Seems to me like the O-Line tends to get tired and lazy when needed the most. Week in and week out they give up the big play to the other team. Not sure if Gibbs is going away from max protect or if the guys up front just don't have it in them to close out a game. I tend to watch the games more then once (for fun) but I notice Portis has to bounce and make his own plays most of the time. The D-line on the other hand is a walking nightmare. I could stand back there and throw the ball on this line.

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Longtimefan · 11-21-2005, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockinganker

Seems to me like the O-Line tends to get tired and lazy when needed the most. Week in and week out they give up the big play to the other team. Not sure if Gibbs is going away from max protect or if the guys up front just don't have it in them to close out a game. I tend to watch the games more then once (for fun) but I notice Portis has to bounce and make his own plays most of the time. The D-line on the other hand is a walking nightmare. I could stand back there and throw the ball on this line.

P.S.
The thought of LA coming at me would make me crap my pants.

It's difficult for me to understand how you can max protect, run two man pass routes, and expect to get receivers open. Teams have been giving us trouble just rushing their front four, and at that rate you have seven other players to cover up two receivers, The odds just dosen't seem to be in our favor. That's why our QB has to hold the ball so long because usually there's no one open.

Gmanc711 · 11-21-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It's difficult for me to understand how you can max protect, run two man pass routes, and expect to get receivers open. Teams have been giving us trouble just rushing their front four, and at that rate you have seven other players to cover up two receivers, The odds just dosen't seem to be in our favor. That's why our QB has to hold the ball so long because usually there's no one open.

We should at least release Robert Royal and send him out on a pass pattern. Its not like he tries to block anyone anyways.

56FAN · 11-21-2005, 08:27 AM

dockery has got to go. he just doen't seem to br progressing and he's too reactionary and not enough of a dictator.

railcon56 · 11-21-2005, 12:26 PM

i agree i dont know where this O line thing is coming from i really didnt see that much pressure....

11-20-2005, 05:42 PM	#1
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	The Line I've been wanting to say this for a long time. The O-line is not very good. They are average. The D-line is really flawed. Our Defensive Ends are a joke. It's not even something to debate. The lines are the key to this game and we all know it. The problem with this team is the line. O and D. The line on both sides is B-league.

11-20-2005, 05:43 PM	#2
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: O Line You think they're THAT good? I don't...I think B League would be an improvement.

11-20-2005, 05:44 PM	#3
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	Re: O Line the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

11-20-2005, 10:23 PM	#6
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: O Line I don't think our offensive line has been all that offensive. It's not like Brunell was sacked 10, 5, 4, or even 3 times. Plus, the run-blocking was decent. Why are people bashing the offensive line now? Because Robert Royal whiffed on a few blocks?

11-20-2005, 10:28 PM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: O Line I think it's because Brunell didn't have sufficient time most of the day. The sacks weren't there, but the pressure most certainly was. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-20-2005, 11:30 PM	#10
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: O Line Brunell seemed to hang on to the ball an awfully long time on a lot of plays. I couldn't see whether the wideouts were getting open (as I was watching on TV), but he didn't seem to be under too much pressure. So who exactly isn't doing their job on the O-line? Again, I think people are attributing blame to the O-line that should fall elsewhere.

11-20-2005, 11:53 PM	#11
Rockinganker Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canada Age: 46 Posts: 37	Re: O Line Seems to me like the O-Line tends to get tired and lazy when needed the most. Week in and week out they give up the big play to the other team. Not sure if Gibbs is going away from max protect or if the guys up front just don't have it in them to close out a game. I tend to watch the games more then once (for fun) but I notice Portis has to bounce and make his own plays most of the time. The D-line on the other hand is a walking nightmare. I could stand back there and throw the ball on this line. P.S. The thought of LA coming at me would make me crap my pants. __________________ "There was more pressure on the sideline than there was out on the field." Darrell Green

11-21-2005, 08:27 AM	#14
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 62 Posts: 323	Re: O Line dockery has got to go. he just doen't seem to br progressing and he's too reactionary and not enough of a dictator. Last edited by 56FAN; 11-23-2005 at 05:26 PM.

11-21-2005, 12:26 PM	#15
railcon56 Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 922	Re: O Line i agree i dont know where this O line thing is coming from i really didnt see that much pressure.... __________________ Run or Pass and Score ..We Want Alot More!!!!

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