Portis NOT overrated!!!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Clinton Portis -- 2 carries, 3 yards. Total time "sucked" : 3 minutes, 58 seconds.
Clinton Portis - 2 carries, 0 yards. Total time "sucked": 2 minutes, 1 second.
Clinton Portis - 2 carries, -1 yard. Total time "sucked": 1 minute, 30 seconds
Clinton Portis - 3 carries, 11 yards. On this drive, it was the first time since week one when the Skins fed the ball to Portis, with the lead in hand, and he got the yardage necessary to seal the win....

you didn't include the time on that last drive. i'm curious to know since i'd like to add it to the HALF QUARTER you just stated he "sucked", with the team ahead like you said, and every defender dedicated to stopping him.

[ST21]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Time sucking drives? In the fourth quarter, there were four Redskin offensive drives:

1-10-WAS6 (15:00) M.Brunell pass to S.Moss pushed ob at WAS 11 for 5 yards (L.Reid).
2-5-WAS11 (14:25) C.Portis left tackle to WAS 12 for 1 yard (A.Wilson).
3-4-WAS12 (13:46) M.Brunell pass to C.Portis to WAS 17 for 5 yards (D.Macklin).
1-10-WAS17 (13:03) C.Portis right tackle to WAS 19 for 2 yards (K.Dansby).
2-8-WAS19 (12:23) M.Brunell pass to C.Portis to WAS 25 for 6 yards (L.Reid).
3-2-WAS24 (11:38) (Shotgun) M.Brunell FUMBLES (Aborted) at WAS 21, recovered by WAS-J.Jansen at WAS 24. J.Jansen to WAS 24 for no gain (K.Dansby).
4-3-WAS24 (11:02) D.Frost punts 52 yards to ARZ 24, Center-E.Albright. R.Swinton to ARZ 29 for 5 yards (M.Bowen).

Is it that you hate there is another Clinton running D.C., I mean a man can't live off Bush alone

Clinton Portis -- 2 carries, 3 yards. Total time "sucked" : 3 minutes, 58 seconds.

Washington Redskins at 10:05
1-10-WAS33 (10:05) C.Portis right tackle to WAS 34 for 1 yard (O.Huff).
PENALTY on ARZ-A.Smith, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 33 - No Play.
1-5-WAS38 (9:41) C.Portis right end to WAS 37 for -1 yards (C.Okeafor).
2-6-WAS37 (8:54) M.Brunell pass to C.Portis to WAS 42 for 5 yards (O.Huff).
3-1-WAS42 (8:12) M.Brunell pass incomplete to C.Cooley.
4-1-WAS42 (8:06) D.Frost punts 48 yards to ARZ 10, Center-E.Albright, downed by WAS.

Clinton Portis - 2 carries, 0 yards. Total time "sucked": 2 minutes, 1 second.

Washington Redskins at 05:54
1-10-WAS20 (5:54) C.Portis right tackle to WAS 20 for no gain (T.Bulman).
2-10-WAS20 (5:12) C.Portis up the middle to WAS 19 for -1 yards (J.Darling).
3-11-WAS19 (4:29) M.Brunell pass incomplete to S.Moss.
4-11-WAS19 (4:24) D.Frost punts 42 yards to ARZ 39, Center-E.Albright. R.Swinton to ARZ 49 for 10 yards (R.Cartwright). Penalty on WAS-M.Sellers, Ineligible Downfield Kick, declined.
PENALTY on ARZ-A.Francisco, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at WAS 49.

Clinton Portis - 2 carries, -1 yard. Total time "sucked": 1 minute, 30 seconds

Washington Redskins at 01:59
1-10-WAS28 (1:59) M.Brunell pass to R.Royal to WAS 46 for 18 yards (J.Darling).
1-10-WAS46 (1:56) C.Portis up the middle to WAS 49 for 3 yards (A.Wilson).
2-7-WAS49 (1:52) C.Portis right end to 50 for 1 yard (R.Kolodziej).
3-6-50 (1:47) C.Portis up the middle to ARZ 43 for 7 yards (J.Darling, O.Huff).

Clinton Portis - 3 carries, 11 yards. On this drive, it was the first time since week one when the Skins fed the ball to Portis, with the lead in hand, and he got the yardage necessary to seal the win. However, the statistics say that Portis, until that final 7-yard run on third and 6, is not and has not been the right running back to finish out games and "suck" time off the clock. If anyone thinks that the "heroics" Portis gave us against the inept Cardinals will be enough against the Cowboys or Giants, they're in for a serious letdown.

Is it that you hate to see another Clinton running D.C., because you know a man can't live off Bush alone

[Luxorreb]

Hate the game not the player.

Redskins win 17-13. In business its all about the bottom line. Portis went 26 for 105 with almost 1200 yds on the season. Redskins rank 7th in the league and 4th in the NFC in rushing yards prior to Sundays game.

[skins052bgr8]

Clinton and the ground game have been pretty dominate since the Tampa game when called upon to do so. Love that we are hitting the corners more, but still do not like that bunch formation with no recievers and running right up the middle. We have had a lot of success outside of that play, I was crushed when we did that for the two plays right before Clinton got the 1st out of what if I remember on what could have been a passing down spread the D a little and got the push.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you didn't include the time on that last drive. i'm curious to know since i'd like to add it to the HALF QUARTER you just stated he "sucked", with the team ahead like you said, and every defender dedicated to stopping him.

1:49 on the last drive, 9:18 total on 4 drives.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I definitely almost got chub after our line and Portis basically was like, "Bitch, please!" to the Cardinals defensive line on that last push. Amazing.

[irish]

This was all done against the Cards (maybe they worst organization & team in NFL history) so any notion that this was some amazing all-pro performance are kidding themselves. It was a good performance against a sorry team, nothing more, nothing less. Based on how the Skins played these last 2 weeks vs 2 of the worst teams in the league I see no reason to believe they can win vs Dallas and NY. They just dont score enough points.

[Redskins_P]

If Portis can get in the end zone a couple more times, I think he can make the Pro Bowl.

He's certainly the MVP of the season so far.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Gibbs has shown faith in Portis and Portis has come through. I lot of credit has to go to the Hogs up front. They are doing a great job blowing open holes for the running backs. Nothing would be sweeter than seeing it all come together next week against the Girls. A flawless game with no turnovers, the offensive line dominating and Portis and company trucking the Girls, Santana Moss toasting Roy Williams, Arrington and Taylor 1-2ing Bledsoe. I would be in Hog Heaven.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by irish

This was all done against the Cards (maybe they worst organization & team in NFL history) so any notion that this was some amazing all-pro performance are kidding themselves. It was a good performance against a sorry team, nothing more, nothing less. Based on how the Skins played these last 2 weeks vs 2 of the worst teams in the league I see no reason to believe they can win vs Dallas and NY. They just dont score enough points.

if so, then the problem is alot bigger than Portis.

the point is, for the Redskins good or bad, Clinton Portis has been a bright spot for this offense. we don't lose games because of him, but he helps win the games we do win. maybe he's not the Barry Sanders people here expected him to be (The Lions lost most of their games in spite of Barry too) but he's unquestionably one of the positives on this team. hardly a negative.

[irish]

Originally Posted by illdefined

if so, then the problem is alot bigger than Portis.

the point is, for the Redskins good or bad, Clinton Portis has been a bright spot for this offense. we don't lose games because of him, but he helps win the games we do win. maybe he's not the Barry Sanders people here expected him to be (The Lions lost most of their games in spite of Barry too) but he's unquestionably one of the positives on this team. hardly a negative.

I agree that CP has been a bright spot in an otherwise lackluster offense. He wont lose games for the skins but he wont make those 2 amazing TD runs that win games either. He's a good back in a bad offense but not the homerun hitter the team thought they were getting.

[JDESKIN]

I would really love to see more running plays down the sidelines with Sellers leading MORE often. Or even up the middle with Sellers poundin in front of Portis. This really needs to be in more of our running plays.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by JDESKIN

I would really love to see more running plays down the sidelines with Sellers leading MORE often. Or even up the middle with Sellers poundin in front of Portis. This really needs to be in more of our running plays.

you said it. Portis does his best with a fullback blocking for him (like his days in Denver) because he reacts so well after that initial block. Portis has vision and ability, not size (though no one can question his toughness). take a look at the offensive clip and you'll see all his best runs have Sellers clearing the way.

http://www.skinsfanatic.com/videos.html

THANKS SKINS FANATIC

[#56fanatic]

Irish, I agree totally. Rams and Cards are the worst defenses in the league. I will believe we are this new team committed to running the ball "skins style" when we do it against teams that have something to play for. Like Dallas, NY, and even Philly, though philly is playing for nothing, they have alot of heart and dont quit, like the rams and cards. I do think there will be more plays of CP geared to running outside, but you cant run outside if you dont make teams respect your inside running game. Like the play action pass, teams have to respect different parts of you offensive attack for other parts to work. I read that Portis actually likes running inside alot. With that said, he needs to do better at letting holes develop rather than running over top of the blockers. By the way, were was Rock yesterday? Betts is healthy so Rock is relegated back to #3. The guy ran like a mad man last week and we cant atleast give him a few touches? HMMMM... thats questionable. I was looking forward to seeing him run again.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Irish, I agree totally. Rams and Cards are the worst defenses in the league. I will believe we are this new team committed to running the ball "skins style" when we do it against teams that have something to play for. Like Dallas, NY, and even Philly, though philly is playing for nothing, they have alot of heart and dont quit, like the rams and cards.

that's fair to say. guess we'll know exactly that soon enough.