Update: Second Boston Marathon Suspect Captured

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.


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I hear you, for that one thing, it appears they did a "bad" job. At the same time:

(1) without knowing more, not sure we can say they missed something blatant; you are assuming he was leaving a blood trail, maybe he didn't immediately, maybe it was in his clothes and not on the ground. I don't know, I wasn't there. Someone more familiar with LE can probably provide at least 5 or 6 reasonable explanations as to why they lost him all of which would be in line with the appropriate level of LE standards of care.

(2) Again, taking that one incident out of context is to demand perfection and, in a situation like this, I just think that to be an unreasonable demand. You disagree, I get it.

You're right. It could have been ugly. It could have been ugly from the get go, but, ultimately, it wasn't and that, to me, is what's important.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.

A few things.

1) I think you are basing this mostly on the trail of blood, but I doubt that there was much of a trail. Yes he was bloody at the end, but had he been bleeding bad enough to leave a long obvious trail he would not have lived through the day.

2) the main focus was the house to house to make sure that he hadn't taken any hostages or created a death trap environment somewhere. An injured weak man in a boat was not as much of a threat, even if he had an suicide vest on.

3) They also contained him to Boston early on by stopping all transit exits.

Their goal may have been to get the guy, but first off was to avoid civilian casualties, and proceed in a methodical approach, eliminating chances for a bad ending.

Again, a weak, even suicidal man in a boat is a far less dangerous situation than a wounded man with just a gun in a household with 3 or 4 hostages.

I am sure they will do an after action review, and maybe decide that the search grid was to small originally, but I doubt there was a bloody trail that led right to where he was hiding. Dogs would have found that quickly and easily.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

A few things.

1) I think you are basing this mostly on the trail of blood, but I doubt that there was much of a trail. Yes he was bloody at the end, but had he been bleeding bad enough to leave a long obvious trail he would not have lived through the day.

2) the main focus was the house to house to make sure that he hadn't taken any hostages or created a death trap environment somewhere. An injured weak man in a boat was not as much of a threat, even if he had an suicide vest on.

3) They also contained him to Boston early on by stopping all transit exits.

There goal may have been to get the guy, but first off was to avoid civilian casualties, and proceed in a methodical approach, eliminating chances for a bad ending.

Again, a weak, even suicidal man in a boat is a far less dangerous situation than a wounded man with just a gun in a household with 3 or 4 hostages.

I am sure they will do an after action review, and maybe decide that the search grid was to small originally, but I doubt there was a bloody trail that led right to where he was hiding. Dogs would have found that quickly and easily.

Extremely well stated.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm not second guessing them, but I am calling bullshit on them if they want to claim they knew where he was for 2 hours, yet waited till the guy walked out back and called 911 to move in.

Apparently we're not allowed to, we just have to appreciate the wonderful job they did. Sheeple amuse me.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Apparently we're not allowed to, we just have to appreciate the wonderful job they did. Sheeple amuse me.

Well, things happen in the heat of the moment, and things are often overlooked. I don't have that much issue with them overlooking the boat. I just don't liked to be told it's raining if you are pissing on me. Also, don't take credit for something this civilian did. I guess it would make them look bad (in their eyes) if they had hundreds and hundreds of LE agents, yet it was a simple guy smoking in his backyard that found him.

[Alvin Walton]

If that dudes wife had allowed him to smoke in the house the perp would have bled out in his boat and we would not have found this guy until flounder season started.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm not second guessing them, but I am calling bullshit on them if they want to claim they knew where he was for 2 hours, yet waited till the guy walked out back and called 911 to move in.

That is a little suspicious but who knows

[NC_Skins]

Reddit may not have solved the case, but at least they fed the guys who did.

Boston PD stops by and thanks them. Love their sense of humor with the "Murica" in the username.

Thank you for the pizzas REDDIT, from BPD. : boston

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Apparently we're not allowed to, we just have to appreciate the wonderful job they did. Sheeple amuse me.

Next time there's a national emergency we'll call on you to lead the way. We'll expect nothing but flawless execution and perfection.

Armchair QB's amuse me especially in the wake of a victorious moment.

[Chico23231]

Didnt know the Assumptions Room was gonna be used in both Boston Marathon threads. amazing.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Next time there's a national emergency we'll call on you to lead the way. We'll expect nothing but flawless execution and perfection.

As long as everyone does what they are told it will be magnificent.

Are you suggesting, Matty, that we should blindly laud everything that LE does, including their blatant ****-ups?

[NC_Skins]

Czechs: we're not Chechens

Mirca Sekerova recommends Americans "open a geography book once in a while...stop blaming our country for this."

And Petr Manda commented: "Well done, U.S. education system."

[RedskinRat]

Hero of the Boston bombing:

While the analysts combed through videos frame by frame, a more traditional tip was developing two miles away at Boston Medical Center. Jeffrey Bauman, groggy from anesthesia, his legs just removed at the knee, managed to eke out a request for pen and paper.

In the intensive-care ward, Bauman, who had been near the finish line to see his girlfriend complete Monday’s race, wrote words that would help lead to quick resolution of the bombing that killed three and injured 176 others: “Bag. Saw the guy, looked right at me.”

FBI agents quickly came to Bauman’s bedside. A man in sunglasses and black baseball cap had walked right up to him, placed a black backpack on the ground and stepped away, Bauman remembered.

His tip became a critical lead, according to law enforcement officials.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Hero of the Boston bombing:

While the analysts combed through videos frame by frame, a more traditional tip was developing two miles away at Boston Medical Center. Jeffrey Bauman, groggy from anesthesia, his legs just removed at the knee, managed to eke out a request for pen and paper.

In the intensive-care ward, Bauman, who had been near the finish line to see his girlfriend complete Monday’s race, wrote words that would help lead to quick resolution of the bombing that killed three and injured 176 others: “Bag. Saw the guy, looked right at me.”

FBI agents quickly came to Bauman’s bedside. A man in sunglasses and black baseball cap had walked right up to him, placed a black backpack on the ground and stepped away, Bauman remembered.

His tip became a critical lead, according to law enforcement officials.

Amazing.

[NC_Skins]

Boston Bomber as seen by various websites/news outlets




This about covers it.