2009 Free Agents

[53Fan]

I would still check them out.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I am thinking Jason Brown from Baltimore may be a very smart target in FA for us. He's a big C at 320lb, can play G and was the anchor of a very good Baltimore line, he's only 26. He's a huge improvement over Rabach at C, definitely fills an immediate need, and could solidify the position for 4-5 years. Baltimore has already franchised Suggs so there is a good chance Brown will hit the market. This also would allow us to concentrate of OT, DT/DE, and LB in the draft.

Nice call here.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I am thinking Jason Brown from Baltimore may be a very smart target in FA for us. He's a big C at 320lb, can play G and was the anchor of a very good Baltimore line, he's only 26. He's a huge improvement over Rabach at C, definitely fills an immediate need, and could solidify the position for 4-5 years. Baltimore has already franchised Suggs so there is a good chance Brown will hit the market. This also would allow us to concentrate of OT, DT/DE, and LB in the draft.

I agree with Jason Brown. Unless we take the guy I'm hoping we get, Alex Mack, Brown could help us tremendously for a long time.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree with Jason Brown. Unless we take the guy I'm hoping we get, Alex Mack, Brown could help us tremendously for a long time.

Whats going on with Mack? have you kept up on any current news on him?

[SFREDSKIN]

Canty played in a 4-3 at Virginia, SIGN HIM!!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I still would go after Canty, did he play on a 3-4 in Virginia? Shit maybe he can be better on a 4-3.

UVA was a 3-4 when Canty was there (see below).

From Pro Football Weekly: ....Blank (Canty's agent) said the fact that his client is probably strictly a 3-4 end doesn’t hurt Canty’s value because the 3-4 is increasing in popularity, leaguewide, with traditional 4-3 teams such as the Broncos and Packers converting to odd fronts this fall.....
Notes: Like most 3-4 ends, Canty’s statistics are not overly impressive. In the Cowboys’ system, his job is not to rush the passer all out like Ware. Rather, Canty most often is asked to hold the point and sometimes take on guard-tackle double-teams. He has played right end in this system since college under Al Groh at Virginia and has the perfect build for the spot at 6-7 and 300 pounds. He has had 6½ sacks the past two seasons combined, which is right about what you’d expect, given the system and his responsibilities. Canty often helped pave the way for Ware, who had one of the best seasons of any pass rusher in the past five seasons, notching 20 sacks lining up right behind Canty.
Strengths: Canty has long arms and can close down passing lanes. He gets good leverage and can drive and move big offensive tackles. Canty adequately takes on double-teams and will surprise once in a while with his pass-rush technique. As right ends go, he’s a strong run defender — and those are hard to find. His experience in the system and coachability are both big positives for 3-4 teams.
Weaknesses: Scouts have said for two years that Canty lacks a mean streak and needs to play with a lot more ferocity, which would make him a terror given his rare physical skills. No one has expected him to put up big sack totals, but Canty’s lack of forced fumbles and other big plays have been surprising for a three-down player. He has been a slow starter the past few seasons, although he has finished strong. That said, there are some who question Canty’s motor just a bit and believe that top-notch tackles can neutralize him.
Risk factor: Low. Canty had two serious injuries his senior season at UVA that caused him to fall from the first round to a fourth-round pick, but he has played every game — starting the past 48 — since entering the league in 2005. He is what he is, a good base 3-4 end who can kick inside to tackle in four-man-front pass defenses, and the market is almost certainly not going to reach Kelly heights. Canty won’t make a ton of plays for you, and his ceiling might not be much higher, so you know pretty much what you are getting.

Based on this, it doesn't seem that he's got enough speed to pass rush off the edge or contain the outside, two things important for LDE in the 4-3. If we looked to convert him to a DT it doesn't appear he'd be more than a run-stopper and not generate much push up the middle. No way he would be enough value for us to pay $ 5M + per year plus 12-15M guaranteed (probably close to his market value, I may be underestimating)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree with Jason Brown. Unless we take the guy I'm hoping we get, Alex Mack, Brown could help us tremendously for a long time.

Mack is definitely strong. Unfortunately we'll need to make the move on Brown when FA opens on Feb. 27th as he will be either the #1 or #2 C in FA.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Mack is definitely strong. Unfortunately we'll need to make the move on Brown when FA opens on Feb. 27th as he will be either the #1 or #2 C in FA.

True. The only way around that would be if the FO has Mack targeted and knew we could get him. And right now everything's probably open as to who we're going to draft or if we're going to trade down. Brown would definitely be a big addition for us. A definite upgrade. I've learned alot about him since GTripp brought him up.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

UVA was a 3-4 when Canty was there (see below).

From Pro Football Weekly: ....Blank (Canty's agent) said the fact that his client is probably strictly a 3-4 end doesn’t hurt Canty’s value because the 3-4 is increasing in popularity, leaguewide, with traditional 4-3 teams such as the Broncos and Packers converting to odd fronts this fall.....
Notes: Like most 3-4 ends, Canty’s statistics are not overly impressive. In the Cowboys’ system, his job is not to rush the passer all out like Ware. Rather, Canty most often is asked to hold the point and sometimes take on guard-tackle double-teams. He has played right end in this system since college under Al Groh at Virginia and has the perfect build for the spot at 6-7 and 300 pounds. He has had 6½ sacks the past two seasons combined, which is right about what you’d expect, given the system and his responsibilities. Canty often helped pave the way for Ware, who had one of the best seasons of any pass rusher in the past five seasons, notching 20 sacks lining up right behind Canty.
Strengths: Canty has long arms and can close down passing lanes. He gets good leverage and can drive and move big offensive tackles. Canty adequately takes on double-teams and will surprise once in a while with his pass-rush technique. As right ends go, he’s a strong run defender — and those are hard to find. His experience in the system and coachability are both big positives for 3-4 teams.
Weaknesses:Scouts have said for two years that Canty lacks a mean streak and needs to play with a lot more ferocity, which would make him a terror given his rare physical skills. No one has expected him to put up big sack totals, but Canty’s lack of forced fumbles and other big plays have been surprising for a three-down player. He has been a slow starter the past few seasons, although he has finished strong. That said, there are some who question Canty’s motor just a bit and believe that top-notch tackles can neutralize him.
Risk factor:Low. Canty had two serious injuries his senior season at UVA that caused him to fall from the first round to a fourth-round pick, but he has played every game — starting the past 48 — since entering the league in 2005. He is what he is, a good base 3-4 end who can kick inside to tackle in four-man-front pass defenses, and the market is almost certainly not going to reach Kelly heights. Canty won’t make a ton of plays for you, and his ceiling might not be much higher, so you know pretty much what you are getting.

Based on this, it doesn't seem that he's got enough speed to pass rush off the edge or contain the outside, two things important for RDE in the 4-3. If we looked to convert him to a DT it doesn't appear he'd be more than a run-stopper and not generate much push up the middle. No way he would be enough value for us to pay $ 5M + per year plus 12-15M guaranteed (probably close to his market value, I may be underestimating)

Thats what I was talking about.

44ever Maybe we should start the transition to the 3-4 D It seems like all the big names are coming from or wanting to go in that direction. I wonder how this will affect or limit future FA aquisitions since more and more teams are going 3-4

[SFREDSKIN]

I say sign Brown, move him to LG (say goodbye to Kendall) and draft Mack as our C. That would make our OL awesome overnight. I have a feeling Jansen will make a comeback or at least play better than last year.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Whats going on with Mack? have you kept up on any current news on him?

Had'nt heard anything lately 44, other than I think he sprung his ankle the other day.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I say sign Brown, move him to LG (say goodbye to Kendall) and draft Mack as our C. That would make our OL awesome overnight. I have a feeling Jansen will make a comeback or at least play better than last year.

That would make for a lot of BEEF on the left side.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Had'nt heard anything lately 44, other than I think he sprung his ankle the other day.

Sprained ankle, Huh. (.... is all I have to say)

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Had'nt heard anything lately 44, other than I think he sprung his ankle the other day.

Did he even make it to the combine?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Did he even make it to the combine?

I don't think so. I'll have to check more to be sure.... He went to the combine but did not participate in drills due to his ankle. It's not serious but he could'nt give 100%.