Obama Care

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Seriously. It has the feel of the Dems wanting to shove 20 years worth of agenda down our throats ASAP. Especially the fact that Obama is pushing hard to get this crammed through Congress before the August recess.

They want it passed before people wake up and realize what a sh!t a$$ plan he has. The term socialist for Obama is become to mild of a term.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They want it passed before people wake up and realize what a sh!t a$$ plan he has. The term socialist for Obama is become to mild of a term.

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

Ahhhhhh!! Now I see the attraction for saden.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

Its not about reducing cost or providing better care its a power grab by the Democrats no matter what the cost is or the damage it does. They just want control over more people so they can use them to gain votes. Thats why they did not want to allow Americans to use 2% of thier SS to invest on their own. Thats how they work and how they gain their power.

[saden1]

We elected them on the basis of what they would do for us today not tomorrow. If the job doesn't get done now it's still there waiting to be done tomorrow and who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Arrogant eh? This coming from a man who said he should be at the front of the line in the waiting room because he paid and poor people don't. Come to think of it Steve Jobs aught be able to cut in front of you in the waiting room and on the wait lists.

If anything I'm filled with love for the meek. Be careful my friend before you label, you have a few labels on your forehead already.


Joe, you keep popping up randomly taking jabs but my chin seems to be holding up just fine. Ain't no glass jaw here dog. You need to work on your hooks and uppercuts cause your jabs are ineffective.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

We elected them on the basis of what they would do for us today not tomorrow. If the job doesn't get done now it's still there waiting to be done tomorrow and who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Arrogant eh? This coming from a man who said he should be at the front of the line in the waiting room because he paid and poor people don't. Come to think of it Steve Jobs aught be able to cut in front of you in the waiting room and on the wait lists.

If anything I'm filled with love for the meek. Be careful my friend before you label, you have a few labels on your forehead already.


Joe, you keep popping up randomly taking jabs but my chin seems to be holding up just fine. Ain't no glass jaw here dog. You need to work on your hooks and uppercuts cause your jabs are ineffective.

You should have said we elected them on the bases of what they would do for us today and not worry about its cost until tommorow.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Joe, you keep popping up randomly taking jabs but my chin seems to be holding up just fine. Ain't no glass jaw here dog. You need to work on your hooks and uppercuts cause your jabs are ineffective.

Fair enough.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

See to me it isn't about a power grab or anything like that. I think philosophically they'd rather try to address a problem however they can, right or wrong, rather than wait and try to do it right. To them it is worse to do nothing than to try something that probably won't work. That basic moral compass points them away from reason and helps them embrace political gamesmanship. And this isn't just Democrats, it is everyone. It's the way our nation is governed now.

[firstdown]

For all of you think I should fork out more money when I already send them over $1400 a month for SS which they say might run out please explain why I should be willing to give them more money? Thats just what they take from me for SS. Yes today was bill day at the office and I just get ticked when I look at those numbers. I think of how much earlier and how much more money I would have if I could keep invest that money into my retirement account. Now I have people telling me I need to fork over more money for another programe and they can't even fix what is allready broken. So For Obama and others who want more of the hard earned money of mine they can just pucker up and kiss my a$$. Ok, now that I'm done with that rant I have a 1:30 Tee time to relax and get my weekend started. I usually win money playing golf I wonder if some Dem. will be waiting on the 19th hole to get his share.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

See to me it isn't about a power grab or anything like that. I think philosophically they'd rather try to address a problem however they can, right or wrong, rather than wait and try to do it right. To them it is worse to do nothing than to try something that probably won't work. That basic moral compass points them away from reason and helps them embrace political gamesmanship. And this isn't just Democrats, it is everyone. It's the way our nation is governed now.

Exactly. It's the way now, and the way it's been ever since I can remember (past 15 years or so).

Congress can act quickly, if it wants to. They pushed through something like $75B for Afghanistan in about a week, but things like health care and education seem to be neglected. At least you'd never see so much money for them pushed through so quickly.

On principle though, I think we're usually best served by doing something, rather than nothing, even if that something could/might fail.

One of my favorite quotes of all time:

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
- Teddy Roosevelt

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For all of you think I should fork out more money when I already send them over $1400 a month for SS which they say might run out please explain why I should be willing to give them more money? Thats just what they take from me for SS. Yes today was bill day at the office and I just get ticked when I look at those numbers. I think of how much earlier and how much more money I would have if I could keep invest that money into my retirement account. Now I have people telling me I need to fork over more money for another programe and they can't even fix what is allready broken. So For Obama and others who want more of the hard earned money of mine they can just pucker up and kiss my a$$. Ok, now that I'm done with that rant I have a 1:30 Tee time to relax and get my weekend started. I usually win money playing golf I wonder if some Dem. will be waiting on the 19th hole to get his share.

This is genuinely funny. Good job!

Keep in mind, you probably would have much less, or possibly no, "hard earned money" if there was no government/infrastructure. It's a give and take, not just a take.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Keep in mind, you probably would have much less, or possibly no, "hard earned money" if there was no government/infrastructure. It's a give and take, not just a take.

Please explain how the federal government/infrastructure allows private individuals & companies to make money? As far as the government infrastructure goes we already pay for that, far more than we should. The government provides military to make sure we don't get taken over, OK. Interstate roads receive federal funding, I get it. Possibly some oversight into banking and finance, OK I get that too. What else could the fed possibly do to make sure I have "hard earned money"? I'd gladly keep my 7.8 or so percent of my paycheck for SS and Medicare and handle my own retirement. States/localities provide over 94% of education funding. Police and Fire are provided through state and local taxes.

You will recall, I'm sure, from your history lessons that there was no income tax in the U.S. until the early part of the 20th century. The country was doing just fine economically without it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Please explain how the federal government/infrastructure allows private individuals & companies to make money? As far as the government infrastructure goes we already pay for that, far more than we should. The government provides military to make sure we don't get taken over, OK. Interstate roads receive federal funding, I get it. Possibly some oversight into banking and finance, OK I get that too. What else could the fed possibly do to make sure I have "hard earned money"? I'd gladly keep my 7.8 or so percent of my paycheck for SS and Medicare and handle my own retirement. States/localities provide over 94% of education funding. Police and Fire are provided through state and local taxes.

You will recall, I'm sure, from your history lessons that there was no income tax in the U.S. until the early part of the 20th century. The country was doing just fine economically without it.

Shhhh. History only counts when it proves the United States is mean and big Government saved the day.

Wait, I am sorry, that is just how the NEW history books portray it.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Please explain how the federal government/infrastructure allows private individuals & companies to make money? As far as the government infrastructure goes we already pay for that, far more than we should. The government provides military to make sure we don't get taken over, OK. Interstate roads receive federal funding, I get it. Possibly some oversight into banking and finance, OK I get that too. What else could the fed possibly do to make sure I have "hard earned money"? I'd gladly keep my 7.8 or so percent of my paycheck for SS and Medicare and handle my own retirement. States/localities provide over 94% of education funding. Police and Fire are provided through state and local taxes.

You will recall, I'm sure, from your history lessons that there was no income tax in the U.S. until the early part of the 20th century. The country was doing just fine economically without it.

I'm sure you recall from your own history lessons that there was in fact an income tax imposed during the Civil War, and that much of the debate regarding the necessity of an income tax that led to the constitutional amendment surfaced in the aftermath of the Spanish-American War. Apparently, the US Congress and three-quarters of the union's states believed that the country was not doing "just fine" without an income tax.

Oh, and you say that it is "possible" that there may be some justification for the federal government's use of power to provide "some" oversight of banking and finance? Meaning, that this is a close call? That no oversight might not be a bad idea. Wow.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

I'm sure you recall from your own history lessons that there was in fact an income tax imposed during the Civil War, and that much of the debate regarding the necessity of an income tax that led to the constitutional amendment surfaced in the aftermath of the Spanish-American War. Apparently, the US Congress and three-quarters of the union's states believed that the country was not doing "just fine" without an income tax.

Oh, and you say that it is "possible" that there may be some justification for the federal government's use of power to provide "some" oversight of banking and finance? Meaning, that this is a close call? That no oversight might not be a bad idea. Wow.

Certainly the crisis of the Civil War constituted extreme measures (income tax). Even so, the tax was less than the SS tax alone is today.

And I'm not saying there should be "no oversight" into the financial system, but not the monstrosity of regulations/legal burdens companies must jump through for the government.

You really should read Chapter 1 of The Fair Tax Book by Neal Boortz to understand how the Income Tax really came to be. As is the same today, the Income Tax (or expansion of taxes) was a Democrat creation, and unfortunatley a few liberal Republicans signed on.

Again, as usual with lefties, my original point wasn't countered....at all, only nit-picking minor details. Please enlighten me, how does the federal government/infrastructure allow/facilitate private individuals & companies to make money? And do you believe the cost of that is worth about 33% of a mid-high end workers income?