The I hate the Patriots thread!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm with Skinsfan69 on this...sort of. Knowing the defensive signals certainly helped but you still have to be able to execute against it. And I don't think they knew any signals when Ellis Hobbs returned the kickoff 108 yards for a touchdown in week one, or when Ty Law had the INT for a TD in the Super Bowl against the Rams, or when Vinatieri kicked two game-winning Super Bowl field goals. True, you can maybe argue that because they knew the signals the offense was able to march downfield to get in field goal position, (if they were indeed videotaping back then) but AV still has to hit those field goals and they weren't gimmes.

No one is arguing what they did hit...they are arguing how they got there. Even just 2 or 3 pivotal plays means a lot in football, and I'm sure they used their info a lot more than just 2 or 3 plays. How many times did the Pats "mysteriously" stop the best offense in the league in that Rams super bowl? Again, we'll never know, but it answers a lot of questions if you ask me.

This conversation boils down to one question:
If it didn't help them, if they didn't use it to cheat, then why do it all?
(nuff said)

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes:
It was easy to pick it up with the patriot shirt and pose it for the picture.

I used the shirt.

Ah, my mistake. I got distracted amidst all the poo talk.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

you are clueless... you say it doesnt do shit, but you dont know shit... i guess it doesnt help them at all so they are doing it for fun. come on man, your second favorite team, you are telling me that matching up there defensive signals with the plays on the field will not help you game plan in the future. so you like thier game planning, well at least part of it is from illegally obtained info. this teams character is shit. these guys cheat and are extremely arrogant when they win...i bet you like that too dont you. if it quaks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, its a fucking duck. these guys talk like dicks, act like arrogant punks, look like cheaters, they are pieces of shit from thier coaching staff on down....jump ship, dont stick up for them, they suck and leave it at that.....or even look at the thread again and see that this is a i hate the pats board donkey.

I don't know shit?? You don't know shit!!!! So I guess the reason Tom Brady rips apart defenses with pin point accuracy is beacuse they steal defensive signals????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? C'mon dude. Let me ask you this Mr. Football expert. Why is it that year in and year out they are a top ten scoring defense? Why is it that they killed SD without Seymour and Harrison? Why is it that they win a Super Bowl with 2nd string guys in the 2ndary? They win a Super Bowl with Troy Brown playing defensive back. You think they do all that because they steal signals? Your comments are simply childish and it shows your football IQ is 0. I just respect good football. It doesn't matter who the team is.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No one is arguing what they did hit...they are arguing how they got there. Even just 2 or 3 pivotal plays means a lot in football, and I'm sure they used their info a lot more than just 2 or 3 plays. How many times did the Pats "mysteriously" stop the best offense in the league in that Rams super bowl? Again, we'll never know, but it answers a lot of questions if you ask me.

This conversation boils down to one question:
If it didn't help them, if they didn't use it to cheat, then why do it all?
(nuff said)

See this is what pisses me off. The reason they stoped the Rams is becacuse Mike Martz is a dumbass playcaller. He thinks his pass game is the best thing since sliced bread. The whole game NE played a soft zone with extra DB's. All he had to do was give to Faulk 35 times and run play action off of it and they would have won the game. But he kept calling pass plays, and the Rams WR's kept getting killed. Dumbest game plan I have ever seen.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't know shit?? You don't know shit!!!! So I guess the reason Tom Brady rips apart defenses with pin point accuracy is beacuse they steal defensive signals????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? C'mon dude. Let me ask you this Mr. Football expert. Why is it that year in and year out they are a top ten scoring defense? Why is it that they killed SD without Seymour and Harrison? Why is it that they win a Super Bowl with 2nd string guys in the 2ndary? They win a Super Bowl with Troy Brown playing defensive back. You think they do all that because they steal signals? Your comments are simply childish and it shows your football IQ is 0. I just respect good football. It doesn't matter who the team is.

Oh my...let's take it easy.

You clearly missed my question.
If they weren't cheating, or trying to cheat, then why are they doing it?

That question is so good, it ends the conversation and should have everyone saying...damn you're right...they cheated.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Oh my...let's take it easy.

You clearly missed my question.
If they weren't cheating, or trying to cheat, then why are they doing it?

That question is so good, it ends the conversation and should have everyone saying...damn you're right...they cheated.

They cheated. 100%. But it does not affect the outcome.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

See this is what pisses me off. The reason they stoped the Rams is becacuse Mike Martz is a dumbass playcaller. He thinks his pass game is the best thing since sliced bread. The whole game NE played a soft zone with extra DB's. All he had to do was give to Faulk 35 times and run play action off of it and they would have won the game. But he kept calling pass plays, and the Rams WR's kept getting killed. Dumbest game plan I have ever seen.

You can't tell me it's not [i]possible[/b] that they cheated to beat the rams. I'm not saying they did...I'm just not dismissing the possibility they did.

When you get caught doing something as bad as they did, you're entire history and integrity and class comes in to question.
You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it any more true.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They cheated. 100%. But it does not affect the outcome.

LOL...WHAT? Do you mean it didn't affect the outcome of the Jets game? Cause that I think is true. But this was not their first time, and why cheat if you don't use the info?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...WHAT? Do you mean it didn't affect the outcome of the Jets game? Cause that I think is true. But this was not their first time, and why cheat if you don't use the info?

Hell no it didn't affect the Jets game. They just abused the Jets. Like SmootSmack said Jets allowed a 108 yard kickoff return. That is pathetic.

I look at it this way. Since Mangini coached under BB it seems to me they should be either changing the signals, or have multiple people giving signals. There are ways to get around that and it's common sense to do it that way since they are running the same defense as the Pats. So if you ask me Mangini is a dumbass for getting had. Football 101.

I think the reason why NE did this is because Mangini has tried to hire coaches from the Pats and he tried to grab Deion Branch. I think there is an unwritten rule that you leave alone the place where you just left if you become a head coach. I'm not saying it's right but that could be the reason behind it.

[Defensewins]

This kind of talk is for losers. In other words it sounds like fans that root for a constantly losing team. "Let's hate them because..."
Sorry but it sounds like a bunch of school girls.
The Pats won three SB's and might win more because they have good players, good coaches and the play smart. Even if you know the play you still have to execute.
In the hey day of the Hogs, we only had three or four running plays. The other team knew what we were going to do and we did it anyway...and kicked ass.
You are really reaching by saying this signal stealing led to victories.
Teams will change the way they send in calls. It is a non-factor now.
End of story.
Don't hate because a team is better than almost everyone else for many years. Regardless of what dicks they might be.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You can't tell me it's not [i]possible[/b] that they cheated to beat the rams. I'm not saying they did...I'm just not dismissing the possibility they did.

When you get caught doing something as bad as they did, you're entire history and integrity and class comes in to question.
You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it any more true.

If you are a football knowledgeable person, and I assume that you are, you know this cannot affect the outcome of a game. Too much has to happen in a short period of time. Plus if you do your film work, and these guys do their film work, you already know what the other team is running on defense anyway. You see their tendencies and you know what type of blitzes they run. Plus defenses in the NFL move around so much before the snap anyway. So what you get when you lineup is not what you get when the ball is snapped in some cases.

If you play a team that runs the Tampa 2 like TB, Chi. Det or Indy they basically never change what they do. They say "this is what we do beat us." Like I said it's just the media putting all the hype behind it. But I laugh at it cause I know it doesn't really help.

I use to play football many many years ago. Some of our crosstown rivals knew our audibles. They knew "3" was the hot number most of the time. That was the number we used to change a play. So we changed it to 7 or 8 whenver we played them. Instead of saying "3" we say "7, 60, 787, B choice," which is a pass play with play action w/ the rb having an option. It's that simple.

[T.O.Killa]

Screw the cheating bastards.

[T.O.Killa]

Teams I Hate.

1. Dallas
2. New England
3. Giants
4. Eagles

Teams I love.

1. The Redskins
2. Anyone playing Dallas
3. Anyone playing New England
4. The Ravens

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

DUDE thats awesome.... The PATS SUCK.... we are going to show them how to stay classy and win in November....

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Teams I Hate.

1. Dallas
2. New England
3. Giants
4. Eagles

I'd switch the Eagles and Giants, but other than that...you're on the mark!

I would really hate to see the Pats and Cowpatties in the super bowl, it would be the only super bowl ever I would not watch.