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irish · 09-21-2004, 11:34 AM

I'm not sure any of the current redskin qbs will be hoisting a super bowl trophy with any team. I think the only one that has a chance with the skins is Brunell, next year.

SUNRA · 09-21-2004, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I think we should frame SUNRA's Ramsey comment to hand back to him when Ramsey lifts the Super Bowl trophy.

One game, we're all annoyed but that may serve as a reminder that the offense is a work in progress. Calm down, please.

I hope you're right buddy. I hope you're right.

SkinsRock · 09-21-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I'm not sure any of the current redskin qbs will be hoisting a super bowl trophy with any team. I think the only one that has a chance with the skins is Brunell, next year.

Ummm....Gibbs won Super Bowls with Doug Williams and Mark Rypien! He could do it with Brunell or Ramsey. It's a long season....have a little faith.

JWsleep · 09-21-2004, 01:05 PM

ANd don't forget: Jay Schreoder (sp?) was the QB during that season: Williams did NOT look good. And Rypien looked HORRIBLE at times when he was developing. He looked kinda like Ramsey: Slow, Confused, and with a gun for an arm. He used to throw PAINFUL ints in games. THen Gibbs got him together, and we had the 91 season where Ryp was SUperbowl MVP. He got to say "I'm going to Disney World!" If Gibbs can get Rypien to Disney WOrld, he can get Ramsey up to speed. But we've gotta have a little patience here, people! THank God it's Gibbs coaching, or Danny-boy (who is as impatient a skins fan as I've ever seen) would probably be down in the locker room causing trouble.

sportscurmudgeon · 09-21-2004, 08:19 PM

Ramsey still has the potential to be a very good QB. As of last Sunday, he has not come near that level with regard to his on-field performance. But you don't give up on him just yet. And you don't pretend that he is really wonderful but the football gods have conspired to make him look bad either.

Yes, he has only started 16 games but that does not make him a rookie. To make that arugument you are admitting that he is so dumb that he cannot learn anything when he is out of the game. Hell, a fire plug isn't that dumb! So, forget the "he's a rookie" stuff. He has been here a while; he should be further advanced. He's not. Deal with it.

Check out Byron Leftwich in Jax. He has fewer starts than Ramsey. But the Jags chose to send Brunell here and keep Leftwich. Makes you stop and think, no?

Gardner is different situation. Garnder was inconsistent and unfocused when Marty was here; he was the same when Suprrier was here; he is the same now that Gibbs is here. I see a definite trend. I believe he is a free agent after this year. Anyone for making him the "franchise player"? Remember when folks here suggested trading Gardner for another teams' high first round pick? Like that would ever have happened...

That Guy · 09-21-2004, 09:56 PM

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Check out Byron Leftwich in Jax. He has fewer starts than Ramsey. But the Jags chose to send Brunell here and keep Leftwich. Makes you stop and think, no?

yeah, and from what i've seen from leftwich, he's not exactly burning things up down there...

SUNRA · 09-21-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah, and from what i've seen from leftwich, he's not exactly burning things up down there...

At least Leftwich is winning games.

MTK · 09-21-2004, 10:32 PM

The Jags aren't exactly winning because of him, he's got a stellar 50% completion percentage right now and a QB rating of 61.9.

I wonder if the Jags are shopping him yet, he doesn't seem to be catching on very quickly.

That Guy · 09-21-2004, 10:47 PM

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At least Leftwich is winning games.

he's not why they're winning... ramsey put up as many points as he did this week, so did portis brunell and cooley...

SUNRA · 09-21-2004, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Jags aren't exactly winning because of him, he's got a stellar 50% completion percentage right now and a QB rating of 61.9.

I wonder if the Jags are shopping him yet, he doesn't seem to be catching on very quickly.

What they didn't do is bring in a veteran and bench Leftwich during training camp. Keep reading the stats and you'll find that what your record is, is what you are. I guess Leftwich didn't lead his team down the field and throw a spectacular pass to the rookie who won the game in the first game of the year? Your'e barking up the wrong tree comparing Ramsey to Leftwich. Your record says who your are.

SUNRA · 09-21-2004, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

he's not why they're winning... ramsey put up as many points as he did this week, so did portis brunell and cooley...

He's not the reason their winning just as much as Ramsey isn't the reason we lost right? Yeah, O.K.

Gmanc711 · 09-21-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Your record says who your are.

Leftwitch was 5-9 as a starter last year. Ramsey was 4-7. Leftwitch is 2-0 this year, and Ramsey is 0-0. I really dont understand how Leftwitch is so much better in that respect.

That Guy · 09-21-2004, 11:47 PM

the skins were 7-0 to NY after ramsey entered, that's not a very fair comparision, if you told leftwich he needed 14 points in one half, he would of put up 7...

SUNRA · 09-21-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Leftwitch was 5-9 as a starter last year. Ramsey was 4-7. Leftwitch is 2-0 this year, and Ramsey is 0-0. I really dont understand how Leftwitch is so much better in that respect.

I think you just made my point. Leftwich is 2-0 as a Jacksonville QB this year. Ramsey is 0-0 as a 2# QB who has lost his starting position to a QB who lost his job to Leftwich. Now how did that happen? Oh because Ramsey needed a veteran to teach him the ropes while Leftwich, Harrington and Brady are 2-0.

SmootSmack · 09-22-2004, 12:14 AM

Leftwich is a local kid and I'm rooting for him to do well but I think money played as big a factor as any in the Jags going with Leftwich and letting Brunell go. They're cost-cutting down in Jacksonville, that's a big reason why Brackens and Douglass are gone as well. Saving money and going with youth.

True, Leftwich led a drive that ended in a spectacular catch by Wilford in the back of the endzone. Sucks for Ramsey that Gardner couldn't catch the ball in the endzone on Sunday.

09-21-2004, 01:05 PM	#34
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	ANd don't forget: Jay Schreoder (sp?) was the QB during that season: Williams did NOT look good. And Rypien looked HORRIBLE at times when he was developing. He looked kinda like Ramsey: Slow, Confused, and with a gun for an arm. He used to throw PAINFUL ints in games. THen Gibbs got him together, and we had the 91 season where Ryp was SUperbowl MVP. He got to say "I'm going to Disney World!" If Gibbs can get Rypien to Disney WOrld, he can get Ramsey up to speed. But we've gotta have a little patience here, people! THank God it's Gibbs coaching, or Danny-boy (who is as impatient a skins fan as I've ever seen) would probably be down in the locker room causing trouble. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-21-2004, 08:19 PM	#35
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Ramsey still has the potential to be a very good QB. As of last Sunday, he has not come near that level with regard to his on-field performance. But you don't give up on him just yet. And you don't pretend that he is really wonderful but the football gods have conspired to make him look bad either. Yes, he has only started 16 games but that does not make him a rookie. To make that arugument you are admitting that he is so dumb that he cannot learn anything when he is out of the game. Hell, a fire plug isn't that dumb! So, forget the "he's a rookie" stuff. He has been here a while; he should be further advanced. He's not. Deal with it. Check out Byron Leftwich in Jax. He has fewer starts than Ramsey. But the Jags chose to send Brunell here and keep Leftwich. Makes you stop and think, no? Gardner is different situation. Garnder was inconsistent and unfocused when Marty was here; he was the same when Suprrier was here; he is the same now that Gibbs is here. I see a definite trend. I believe he is a free agent after this year. Anyone for making him the "franchise player"? Remember when folks here suggested trading Gardner for another teams' high first round pick? Like that would ever have happened... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

09-22-2004, 12:14 AM	#45
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Leftwich is a local kid and I'm rooting for him to do well but I think money played as big a factor as any in the Jags going with Leftwich and letting Brunell go. They're cost-cutting down in Jacksonville, that's a big reason why Brackens and Douglass are gone as well. Saving money and going with youth. True, Leftwich led a drive that ended in a spectacular catch by Wilford in the back of the endzone. Sucks for Ramsey that Gardner couldn't catch the ball in the endzone on Sunday. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-21-2004, 11:34 AM	#31
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	I'm not sure any of the current redskin qbs will be hoisting a super bowl trophy with any team. I think the only one that has a chance with the skins is Brunell, next year.

09-21-2004, 10:32 PM	#38
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	The Jags aren't exactly winning because of him, he's got a stellar 50% completion percentage right now and a QB rating of 61.9. I wonder if the Jags are shopping him yet, he doesn't seem to be catching on very quickly.

09-21-2004, 11:47 PM	#43
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	the skins were 7-0 to NY after ramsey entered, that's not a very fair comparision, if you told leftwich he needed 14 points in one half, he would of put up 7...

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