How About Jermon Bushrod for a Second Rounder

[over the mountain]

the next tom brady, peyton manning or drew brees may be available.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the next tom brady, peyton manning or drew brees may be available.

or the next Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch. However, my point is that Bradford or Clausen are not going to make our o-line look good immediately.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the next tom brady, peyton manning or drew brees may be available.

This. We will be extremely lucky if we can pick Bradford at 4 without trading any picks.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

After having the piece of shit line we had in '09 and '08, I don't want to depend on JUST this to build the offensive line. Our franchise tackle (whom we picked up in the first round) is retiring, Randy Thomas should retire, Heyer is serviceable (although some people have a more negative opinion about him), and honestly, I don't know what to make of Rabach. The team seems to be ok with him, but I'm not sold on him.

Picking up a LT in the top 10 of the draft is not throwing a pick away. Many football pundits typically put QB and LT as 1a and 1b in the positions that a team should pick in the top 10/top 5. I know all won't be lost if we pick up a QB at #4, but also all won't be lost if we pick up a franchise tackle at #4 as well.

I know that a team should consider a QB if there's a special talent and having the opportunity to take a franchise QB. But to me, it is not like Jason Campbell was putting up JaMarcus Russell's numbers last season (and NO, I'm not making an argument for Campbell so calm down JC haters). However, our offensive line was the JaMarcus Russell of offensive lines.

I look at it this way.... Honestly Samuels is retiring, R.Thomas should be retiring (due to injury), Rabach is not a Center I want to rely on this coming year since he has not done very well since he's been here. He gets bowled over all the time. So we truly need a whole new OL. Keep in mind we can't do it all in one year. So some players will have to be FA and some will have to be mid to late rounders or settle with what we already have. If we are settling with Rabach this coming year, and hopefully the young guys we picked up the last two years look good as Guards then we basically need a LT and RT. If we can pick up just one in FA we can pick up the other in the draft. Then bring in a whole mess of late round or UFA OL.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

This. We will be extremely lucky if we can pick Bradford at 4 without trading any picks.

Not anymore... now PFT is reporting that if the draft was tomorrow the Rams would pick McCoy.

Report: Rams would take McCoy, if draft were held now | ProFootballTalk.com

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I look at it this way.... Honestly Samuels is retiring, R.Thomas should be retiring (due to injury), Rabach is not a Center I want to rely on this coming year since he has not done very well since he's been here. He gets bowled over all the time. So we truly need a whole new OL.

LEAVE RABACH ALONE!!!!!!!!!

I also want to take this time though to point out that if you don't like the idea of our lineman getting "bowled" over then prepare to hate most of our line. Shanahan loves the quick athletic types, but they work much better in the zone blocking scheme. Rabach did admirable in a power blocking scheme now he's going to a scheme thats tailor made for him. Prepare to love Rabach again like it's 2005.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not anymore... now PFT is reporting that if the draft was tomorrow the Rams would pick McCoy.

Report: Rams would take McCoy, if draft were held now | ProFootballTalk.com

Wait doesn't that make us lucky. Oh well guess I'll have to read the article.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I look at it this way.... Honestly Samuels is retiring, R.Thomas should be retiring (due to injury), Rabach is not a Center I want to rely on this coming year since he has not done very well since he's been here. He gets bowled over all the time. So we truly need a whole new OL. Keep in mind we can't do it all in one year. So some players will have to be FA and some will have to be mid to late rounders or settle with what we already have. If we are settling with Rabach this coming year, and hopefully the young guys we picked up the last two years look good as Guards then we basically need a LT and RT. If we can pick up just one in FA we can pick up the other in the draft. Then bring in a whole mess of late round or UFA OL.

I'm just not sold in the talent at UFA at the tackle position. I mean, you can bring Tony Pashos, but I feel that we'd be patching up an important line position with an old guy. Once again, I get the whole "franchise QB" argument, I'm just not sold on this being a greater need than getting a franchise tackle.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

or the next Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch. However, my point is that Bradford or Clausen are not going to make our o-line look good immediately.

i hear ya buddy but nobody is going to immediatley make our o line look good. not JC, not bradford, not clausen, not okung.

have we reached a deal with rabach? if not, he hits the FA wire in about 34 hours.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm just not sold in the talent at UFA at the tackle position. I mean, you can bring Tony Pashos, but I feel that we'd be patching up an important line position with an old guy. Once again, I get the whole "franchise QB" argument, I'm just not sold on this being a greater need than getting a franchise tackle.

If you're just looking at 2010 then a franchise tackle makes much more sense then a potential franchise QB. However when you look at 2010 onward the franchise QB makes so much sense it's not even funny. You think the Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are loosing any sleep over the fact that they selected Ryan over Dorsey with their O-Line was in shambles?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If you're just looking at 2010 then a franchise tackle makes much more sense then a potential franchise QB. However when you look at 2010 onward the franchise QB makes so much sense it's not even funny. You think the Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are loosing any sleep over the fact that they selected Ryan over Dorsey when their O-Line was in shambles?

The Falcons also picked up Sam Baker later in the first round during that draft, he's now their starting Left Tackle with the pick that we traded to get Kelly, Thomas, and Davis.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The Falcons also picked up Sam Baker later in the first round during that draft, he's now their starting Left Tackle with the pick that we traded to get Kelly, Thomas, and Davis.

Ah yes but he only started 5 games in 2008. It wasn't until this year that he became a starter. And whos to say that we couldn't get a player of Bakers caliber with our 2nd round pick? This is a very deep tackle class. Heck whats stopping us from trading back into the first to take Charles Brown or better yet having Brown fall to us? Also don't sleep on Roger Saffold (T Indiana).

Indiana OL Rodger Saffold; 2nd Round Pick Option for Redskins? - Hogs Haven

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Ah yes but he only started 5 games in 2008. It wasn't until this year that he became a starter. And whos to say that we couldn't get a player of Bakers caliber with our 2nd round pick? This is a very deep tackle class. Heck whats stopping us from trading back into the first to take Charles Brown or better yet he could easily fall to us.

I'd be ok with a 2nd rounder tackle. Some people are not even mentioning that as an option, wanting to patch the line with just FAs and low rounders.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'd be ok with a 2nd rounder tackle. Some people are not even mentioning that as an option, wanting to patch the line with just FAs and low rounders.

That is unacceptable. One of our first two picks has to be a lineman. I wouldn't sleep though on the mid to late round picks. Shanahan has done a good job of finding these guys that fit his scheme. Now if he's trying to build a D-Line with those same picks then I would be worried.

[NYCskinfan82]

No keep all our picks & if possible don't trade next years picks if possible.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If we did go after him, I definitely would put him at RT. If you can't let your LT lock up one on one consistently with the top pass rushers in this league, you've got a problem.

That is a 101% true statement. You have to have more faith in your LT than any other position on the field. This guy would fit in as a candidate to compete with whatever rookie we draft after Okung for the starting RT position, and with Dockery and Rabach, and bring in Sims over from Seattle, and you have yourself a very quality offensive line. I am sure whoever is behind center this year will be better protected, no matter who we bring in this year. Shanny always has good lines.