2009 Free Agents

[That Guy]

I think one thing we should remember is the history of monster deals...

dockery 7 year 49mill -> dumped in two years
champ 2billion -> making insane money on one of the leagues worst defenses (And pass defenses).
arch/lloyd -> yeah, us too, go figure
kearse/etc etc etc

lots more, but there seems to be an awful high tendency for the highest paid FAs (that change teams) to end up as wasted money... and because of our cap situation, haynesworth is the all or nothing gamble (whereas, in tampa, they have 50mill after his signing, so its not either/or with them (ie EITHER haynesworth fixes all our problems (offense too) OR it's a mistake to choose him over OL/CB/DE/etc)).

if browns coming that means that either hall or haynesworth aren't.

we could do dock/brown/willis (OL), crowell (LB), hall or foxworth (CB), nugent (K -> this wont happen) or a punter, then draft a DE keep our DTs, and go OL or LB in the 3rd...

we'll see, but honestly, it's safer (much less likely to end up with a bad outcome) short and long term to diversify since we've got a lot of obvious holes.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I think one thing we should remember is the history of monster deals...

dockery 7 year 49mill -> dumped in two years
champ 2billion -> making insane money on one of the leagues worst defenses (And pass defenses).
arch/lloyd -> yeah, us too, go figure
kearse/etc etc etc

lots more, but there seems to be an awful high tendency for the highest paid FAs (that change teams) to end up as wasted money... and because of our cap situation, haynesworth is the all or nothing gamble (whereas, in tampa, they have 50mill after his signing, so its not either/or with them (ie EITHER haynesworth fixes all our problems (offense too) OR it's a mistake to choose him over OL/CB/DE/etc)).

if browns coming that means that either hall or haynesworth aren't.

we could do dock/brown/willis (OL), crowell (LB), hall or foxworth (CB), nugent (K -> this wont happen) or a punter, then draft a DE keep our DTs, and go OL or LB in the 3rd...

we'll see, but honestly, it's safer (much less likely to end up with a bad outcome) short and long term to diversify since we've got a lot of obvious holes.

I agree with your thesis but Danny and Sarge are going to do what they want. Right now NFLN still has us as the front runners for AH. I have no reason to not believe them.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I think one thing we should remember is the history of monster deals...

dockery 7 year 49mill -> dumped in two years
champ 2billion -> making insane money on one of the leagues worst defenses (And pass defenses).
arch/lloyd -> yeah, us too, go figure
kearse/etc etc etc

lots more, but there seems to be an awful high tendency for the highest paid FAs (that change teams) to end up as wasted money... and because of our cap situation, haynesworth is the all or nothing gamble (whereas, in tampa, they have 50mill after his signing, so its not either/or with them (ie EITHER haynesworth fixes all our problems (offense too) OR it's a mistake to choose him over OL/CB/DE/etc)).

if browns coming that means that either hall or haynesworth aren't.

we could do dock/brown/willis (OL), crowell (LB), hall or foxworth (CB), nugent (K -> this wont happen) or a punter, then draft a DE keep our DTs, and go OL or LB in the 3rd...

we'll see, but honestly, it's safer (much less likely to end up with a bad outcome) short and long term to diversify since we've got a lot of obvious holes.

Very much agree with you. makes the most logical sence.

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I think one thing we should remember is the history of monster deals...

dockery 7 year 49mill -> dumped in two years
champ 2billion -> making insane money on one of the leagues worst defenses (And pass defenses).
arch/lloyd -> yeah, us too, go figure
kearse/etc etc etc

lots more, but there seems to be an awful high tendency for the highest paid FAs (that change teams) to end up as wasted money... and because of our cap situation, haynesworth is the all or nothing gamble (whereas, in tampa, they have 50mill after his signing, so its not either/or with them (ie EITHER haynesworth fixes all our problems (offense too) OR it's a mistake to choose him over OL/CB/DE/etc)).

if browns coming that means that either hall or haynesworth aren't.

we could do dock/brown/willis (OL), crowell (LB), hall or foxworth (CB), nugent (K -> this wont happen) or a punter, then draft a DE keep our DTs, and go OL or LB in the 3rd...

we'll see, but honestly, it's safer (much less likely to end up with a bad outcome) short and long term to diversify since we've got a lot of obvious holes.

This is why free agency has been controversial. It causes dissent in the locker room.

[Nflnick11]

According to profootballtalk.com were supposed to pursue Jason brown...

[skinsfan_nn]

After midnight....I hope we bypass Brown to!

REDSKINS EXPECTED TO BID ON BROWN
Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 26, 2009, 9:14 p.m.

The Washington Redskins intend to go after Baltimore Ravens free agent center Jason Brown after midnight when the free agency signing period officially begins unless they re-sign left guard Pete Kendall, according to Adam Caplan of Scout.com.

Per Caplan, Brown could be paid at a level approaching top guard money. That would mean an annual average compensation of $8 million.

The Miami Dolphins, who have been looking to improve at center over starter Samson Satele, and the Buffalo Bills are expected to pursue Brown, too.

According to the article, the St. Louis Rams and the Jacksonville Jaguars are expected to bypass Brown.

The Minnesota Vikings are another possibility if Matt Birk isn’t re-signed.

[CRedskinsRule]

I wish it were 12:02(ok, maybe 12:05 )

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I wish it were 12:02(ok, maybe 12:05 )

I think Miami is going to have a deal done by 12:10 AM, that Tuna knows how to make a deal in minutes. LOL.

[That Guy]

well, 6/48 with 20mill bonus gets brown here at 7mill in 2009 as a straight deal (in compliance with end of cap rules) with no weird accounting tricks.

i'd prefer 6yr/40mill with 20mill SB though.

[Ruhskins]

I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about us (possibly) picking up Jason Brown, you're an idiot. This guy is young and talented, he can play guard or center, he will add youth to the line. He's suited for a power running team and is pretty good in pass protection. I say let's sign him, bring him at guard, and let's draft a RT. If Dock comes cheap, sign him too, giving us three offensive lineman under the age of 30 (Brown, Dock, Rook). After so much b!tching and whining about Albert Haynesworth, when the team looks for a good and talented player for the offensive line (you know, that part of the team that broke down and contributed a lot to our 2-6 decline).

That being said, I think the team should not go after Albert Haynesworth if they look to sign Brown. Bring in Canty for lesser value, bring in some LB depth through the draft. Oh well, that's my humble opinion. Fire away at the criticism.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry, but if you're complaining about us (possibly) picking up Jason Brown, you're an idiot. This guy is young and talented, he can play guard or center, he will add youth to the line. He's suited for a power running team and is pretty good in pass protection. I say let's sign him, bring him at guard, and let's draft a RT. If Dock comes cheap, sign him too, giving us three offensive lineman under the age of 30 (Brown, Dock, Rook). After so much b!tching and whining about Albert Haynesworth, when the team looks for a good and talented player for the offensive line (you know, that part of the team that broke down and contributed a lot to our 2-6 decline).

That being said, I think the team should not go after Albert Haynesworth if they look to sign Brown. Bring in Canty for lesser value, bring in some LB depth through the draft. Oh well, that's my humble opinion. Fire away at the criticism.

No criticism from my corner wrt the o-line and not breaking the bank on big Al. CANNOT AGREE ON CANTY. Jeez does it not matter to anyone that he's an f'ing Cowboy... a team full of drama and showboats and everything that we're so lucky to not have to deal with.

... I've said it before and I'll say it again, a monster at SLB will do more for us than a nice upgrade on the d-line. Only a really hungry Haynesworth would be more beneficial than a stud OLB but I think we all suspect he'll mail it in w/ a huge, longterm contract. If we address the o-line as you have here Ruh then we can take Rey Maluauga at 13 in all probability, the hardest hitter in the draft and a guy who will bring the heat when he blitzes. I think that's smarter than dishing out a pile for Canty, who will def not come cheap according to his agent. Besides, Canty will be happy to play for the Tuna again where we don't have to see him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

No criticism from my corner wrt the o-line and not breaking the bank on big Al. CANNOT AGREE ON CANTY. Jeez does it not matter to anyone that he's an f'ing Cowboy... a team full of drama and showboats and everything that we're so lucky to not have to deal with.

... I've said it before and I'll say it again, a monster at SLB will do more for us than a nice upgrade on the d-line. Only a really hungry Haynesworth would be more beneficial than a stud OLB but I think we all suspect he'll mail it in w/ a huge, longterm contract. If we address the o-line as you have here Ruh then we can take Rey Maluauga at 13 in all probability, the hardest hitter in the draft and a guy who will bring the heat when he blitzes. I think that's smarter than dishing out a pile for Canty, who will def not come cheap according to his agent. Besides, Canty will be happy to play for the Tuna again where we don't have to see him.

No it doesn't. You've gotta forget about the fact he is a Cowboy. He's a good player, period. Passing on a guy based on who he plays for is just insane.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

No it doesn't. You've gotta forget about the fact he is a Cowboy. He's a good player, period. Passing on a guy based on who he plays for is just insane.

LOL can I change my name to Captain Insano?

... i know i'm not going to change any minds on Canty and nobody sees it my way...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

This guy is young and talented...

you mispelled my name :/

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you mispelled my name :/

Good one. LOL.