Santana vs. Randy

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How can you judge any wr's in Oak the last two years? Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter and an OC that was running a bed and breakfast. That's wack.

Ownes led all WR's last year in TD's w/ missed time and a broken hand. He's a pain in the ass but that SOB produces. Why do you think JJ is paying him the roster bonus? He knows he needs him to win.

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

Good point. I personally dont think Santana is the best, nor do I think he is better than R.Moss was in his prime. As of now though? Santana owns this competition. Plus you dont have to deal with all that extra bullshit that comes with Randy.

However, I do feel that Santana needs to validate him this next year to clearly establish he is a elite receiver. Even during the 05 season he was streaky at times. Some amazing games, a couple with low numbers. I guess that applies with many receivers, and that fact that he started getting tripled has something to do with it, but I still feel to be considered one of the BEST he must perform at a very high level consistently, for several years. I think he is almost there, this next season will show.

[hesscl34]

Brunell to Moss..... oh the memories <sigh>

[BrunellMVP?]

Randy is still a stud, he had no team around him, no QB, and no hope.
Santana is also a stud, with a young QB and new system.

both are good, i'd rather have santana...but the person who wrote that he'd rather have santana over every reciever save Steve Smith is simply pushing more blind redskins drivel. Please, harrison (old or not), holt, chad johnson, hines ward, anquan boldin, roy williams, these are all guys you've have to consider, with most, i'd argue being better.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Randy is still a stud, he had no team around him, no QB, and no hope.
Santana is also a stud, with a young QB and new system.

both are good, i'd rather have santana...but the person who wrote that he'd rather have santana over every reciever save Steve Smith is simply pushing more blind redskins drivel. Please, harrison (old or not), holt, chad johnson, hines ward, anquan boldin, roy williams, these are all guys you've have to consider, with most, i'd argue being better.

That was me with the rose colored glasses.

Can you honestly think of, in the past three years, one, just one, wideout who has singled handedly shut the door on opposing teams at the end of the game like Moss has? I can't.

There are some that are probably more physical, some faster, but none can adjust to the ball mid air and turn nothing into something like Santana Moss. And I'd strongly argue your points about Chad, Marvin, Boldin..(They all have either a Pro Bowl QB or a Pro Bowler opposite them.) Hines Ward? You're kidding, right? Roy Williams, nope. Not a game breaker like Moss. Holt...again, look at the supporting cast there. Either he had a prolific passer or a stud opposite him.

And that leaves me with Mr. Smith. I'll say they both have comparable supporting casts, yet Smith, pound for pound, is slightly better than Moss.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And that leaves me with Mr. Smith. I'll say they both have comparable supporting casts, yet Smith, pound for pound, is slightly better than Moss.

Has anyone noticed that Smith has bulked up considerably since the Super Bowl year. NFL Network was running a program yesterday about the Patriots when they won their second Super Bowl and there was this scene with Mussin and Smtih where I remembered thinking "God Steve Smith was skinny." However you look at him now and he has tree trunks for legs.

[skins009]

All I need is one stat to show how foolish you are.
Randy Moss Touchdowns 101
Santana Moss Touchdowns 34

[Gmanc711]

If were going to blame Brunell for the lack of Moss's production last year..... Its amazing Randy Moss even caught a ball with his situation in Oakland.

Really this is an interesting debate, because you're really looking at two different type of recivers. I don't think there is a better reciver at adjusting to the football in the NFL than Santana Moss. If you look at alot of the catches he makes.... a lot of times he is covered almost perfectly, but he can find this werid way to adapt to the play and make the catch. Randy is kinda of a reciver where if you can cover him, you can have him beat. The problem is (during his prime), he's nearly impossible to cover. Given the last two years (I was actually more impressed with Santana in 06' than 05' given the circumstances) I think Santana Moss gets the edge, but when both in their absolute prime, theres no question.

Man this "Moss" stuff gets confusing.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by skins009

All I need is one stat to show how foolish you are.
Randy Moss Touchdowns 101
Santana Moss Touchdowns 34

You might want to look at yourself. In the last two years with the Traiders he has only had 11 TD's.

On the other hand Santana in the last two years with us has had 15 TD's.

Moss hasen't done shit since he's been in the black/shit hole. Santana on the other hand has been more reliable and productive. You forgot to mention RM has been in the leaque quite a few more years.....?

Santana OVER that LOOSER Randy I'm not into right now ANYDAY OF THE WEEK.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There are some that are probably more physical, some faster, but none can adjust to the ball mid air and turn nothing into something like Santana Moss...

There are certainly more physical, but I don't know if there are any faster. I mean Steve Smith is right there, but as far as a guy who can go from zero-to-full speed in an instant, I can't think of anyone as fast as Santana. When he gets the ball in the open field he never, ever gets caught. I think back to that screen pass he took 70+ yards to the house vs. KC in '05. Man, he made the defensive players look like they were walking. He has blinding acceleration and his top speed is as good or better than any WR in the league.

[skins009]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

You might want to look at yourself. In the last two years with the Traiders he has only had 11 TD's.

On the other hand Santana in the last two years with us has had 15 TD's.

Moss hasen't done shit since he's been in the black/shit hole. Santana on the other hand has been more reliable and productive. You forgot to mention RM has been in the leaque quite a few more years.....?

Santana OVER that LOOSER Randy I'm not into right now ANYDAY OF THE WEEK.

Oh your right so if RM never scores another touchdawn again SM will catch up to him in 7 years. I hope your not holding your breath.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, but if you want to compare their careers there's simply no comparing them. Randy has had a Hall of Fame career, I don't think the same could be said of Santana.

My point on this thread is obvious but seriously. Santana Moss does not belong in the same breath as Randy Moss. I bleed Burgandy and Gold but anyone who honestly thinks our guy is anywhere near Randy needs psycological help.

BTW. Last year Randy sucked and our guy sucked. For a point of reference look at career stats, look at one year stats, look at total touchdowns look at one year touchdowns. Need I continue.....

[Pocket$ $traight]

BTW Santana has been injured just as much as Randy with 4 less years.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

You have a point. Moss and JC were out of sync too. But RM has over 100 td's. Not too many wr's in the history of the NFL can say that.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Good point. I personally dont think Santana is the best, nor do I think he is better than R.Moss was in his prime. As of now though? Santana owns this competition. Plus you dont have to deal with all that extra bullshit that comes with Randy.

However, I do feel that Santana needs to validate him this next year to clearly establish he is a elite receiver. Even during the 05 season he was streaky at times. Some amazing games, a couple with low numbers. I guess that applies with many receivers, and that fact that he started getting tripled has something to do with it, but I still feel to be considered one of the BEST he must perform at a very high level consistently, for several years. I think he is almost there, this next season will show.

excellent point right now no contest i b/c of his less character issues would take moss santana moss didnt mean to say that in a bond james bond kind of way