Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my!

Redskins_P · 01-23-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Hasn't Campbell already spent two years learning the west coast anyway? Senior year at Auburn, first year with the Redskins where Musgrave ran a modified wco?

He was also very successful at Auburn when they ran the WCO.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 01-23-2008, 06:54 PM

If Snyder is going another direction than GW, I'm surprised Ron Rivera didn't get a look as DC, especially with us having to give up compensation for Ryan.

GMScud · 01-23-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If Snyder is going another direction than GW, I'm surprised Ron Rivera didn't get a look as DC, especially with us having to give up compensation for Ryan.

Oh shit, I forgot about Ron Rivera. Good call. He was a head coaching candidate last offseason after what he did with that Bears D. He's the LB coach in San Diego right now, so D. coordinator for us would be a promotion and not require compensation. Hmmmm....

JWsleep · 01-23-2008, 07:10 PM

I don't quite get the thing with the Raisins--are they keeping Ryan? Didn't they just gut their coaching staff? Can't we just just call him the Vice-assistant head coach, defense, or something, and sign him as a move-up?

Never liked Fassel, but that may be due to my years in NYC when he was coaching the gints. The assistants sound good.

Biggest worry: killing chemistry of the team by kicking GW to the curb.
Worry 2: JC's learning a new system, but it can't be more complex than Al's fabled 700 pager.
Worry 3: Danny-boy took this route to maintain full meddling controls, and he got rid of GW because he wanted to run things like Gibbs.

It's a wait-and-see deal for me. Change is pretty much a constant in the NFL, so this shouldn't be that surprising. And the relationship between owner and coach has to be pretty solid, especially with a hands-on type like the Danny. If GW, who is not known for his flexibility in these things, had come in and had trouble, we'd be seeing this next season anyway, or maybe halfway through. Of course, now we'll never know if GW could have flourished here, and we may rue it when he lands elsewhere.

Once Gibbs stepped down, how many of you really thought this was going to be a mellow and predictable process?

Just friggin win! That cures all ills, pretty much.

GMScud · 01-23-2008, 07:15 PM

Fassel did give one of the best speeches back in Nov. of 2000 when he guaranteed the Giants were going to the playoffs (they went on to win the NFC Championship). The "pushing all my chips to the center of the table" speech.

It's in this article:
FOOTBALL; Unpredictably, Fassel Foretells Playoffs for Giants - New York Times

Paintrain · 01-23-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?

Wow, fancy pants.. Took me a while to shake that one off..

No, I don't consider Snyder a good owner to be honest. I think he meddles too much, is still too impulsive and hasn't grasped the concept of director of football operations, GM, coach all being different people and being left alone to do their jobs.

My point is I don't see how this situation is Redskin Armageddon. So we have a new head coach from outside and 2 new coordinators. For the 3rd time in as many days, 3 playoff teams (Dallas, SD, Pittsburgh) had almost completely new head coaches & coordinators (Pitt. kept LeBeau as DC) and 2 of them won their divisions.

Continuity for the sake of continuity is overrated. We had the 15th ranked offense, 18th ranked scoring offense, I'm fine with an upgrade. I've been on record as supporting Saunders and I think if given full reign and freedom we would have seen a much more productive and explosive offense but I'm not ready to turn in my Redskins card because he won't be here next year.

Same with Williams. He did a solid job this year with the defense. I can't really ignore the 8 or so games the D lost when we had 2nd half leads, but I put that about 55-45 on the offense for not continuing to attack.

I know I'm in the vocal minority, but it seems a bit over the top the panic and mayhem sweeping thru Redskins nation. It's not like we're hiring Rich Kotite, Ray Handley or Dave Campo. By the way, those were all internal hires, strongly supported by the players and fan bases at the time. How'd that work out?

GMScud · 01-23-2008, 07:27 PM

My buddy just shot me a text saying G.Williams to Jacksonville as D.Coordinator... I'm sure it's a rumor at this point, but that would be a good move for him. They have some phenomenal personnel on that D. They'll be nasty with Gregg running them.

SmootSmack · 01-23-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wow, fancy pants.. Took me a while to shake that one off..

No, I don't consider Snyder a good owner to be honest. I think he meddles too much, is still too impulsive and hasn't grasped the concept of director of football operations, GM, coach all being different people and being left alone to do their jobs.

My point is I don't see how this situation is Redskin Armageddon. So we have a new head coach from outside and 2 new coordinators. For the 3rd time in as many days, 3 playoff teams (Dallas, SD, Pittsburgh) had almost completely new head coaches & coordinators (Pitt. kept LeBeau as DC) and 2 of them won their divisions.

Continuity for the sake of continuity is overrated. We had the 15th ranked offense, 18th ranked scoring offense, I'm fine with an upgrade. I've been on record as supporting Saunders and I think if given full reign and freedom we would have seen a much more productive and explosive offense but I'm not ready to turn in my Redskins card because he won't be here next year.

Same with Williams. He did a solid job this year with the defense. I can't really ignore the 8 or so games the D lost when we had 2nd half leads, but I put that about 55-45 on the offense for not continuing to attack.

I know I'm in the vocal minority, but it seems a bit over the top the panic and mayhem sweeping thru Redskins nation. It's not like we're hiring Rich Kotite, Ray Handley or Dave Campo. By the way, those were all internal hires, strongly supported by the players and fan bases at the time. How'd that work out?

Richie Petitbon...

I'd comment on how I generally agree and you make good points on several issues above. But then someone will make the asinine comment that I just support everything that Snyder says and I don't really care about the team since I'm not going crazy over this.

Paintrain · 01-23-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Richie Petitbon...

I'd comment on how I generally agree and you make good points on several issues above. But then someone will make the asinine comment that I just support everything that Snyder says and I don't really care about the team since I'm not going crazy over this.

I was going to mention Richie but I didn't want to add to the Redskin on Redskin crime wave sweeping thru the Warpath..

GMScud · 01-23-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Richie Petitbon...

I'd comment on how I generally agree and you make good points on several issues above. But then someone will make the asinine comment that I just support everything that Snyder says and I don't really care about the team since I'm not going crazy over this.

Yeah, my initial reaction was a resounding WTF?? But I'm more and more okay with this by the minute. I'm reading everything I can find on Fassel, Zorn, and Ryan. Not totally sold on Fassel (is anyone other than Danny?), but Ryan and Zorn are great hires.

rskinz · 01-23-2008, 07:37 PM

What a effen joke! Would someone please bye this franchise from the worst owner in sports

SmootSmack · 01-23-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rskinz

What a effen joke! Would someone please bye this franchise from the worst owner in sports

Way to add to the site

IggyG · 01-23-2008, 07:49 PM

Oh my...if this is the case then we are in a heap of...

We would be better off to hire a regular joe off the street and we would get the same result as we would hiring Fassel. Fassel sucks and Snyder should make himself coach since that would be the only thing to make him ultimately happy.

cwboyh8ter · 01-23-2008, 07:51 PM

The exact opposite of what everyone thinks you should do! Danny boy I sure hope you know what the hell you're doing!!!

Slingin Sammy 33 · 01-23-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Way to add to the site

There you go, defending Snyder again....

01-23-2008, 06:54 PM	#47
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,347	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! If Snyder is going another direction than GW, I'm surprised Ron Rivera didn't get a look as DC, especially with us having to give up compensation for Ryan. __________________ "I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

01-23-2008, 07:10 PM	#49
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! I don't quite get the thing with the Raisins--are they keeping Ryan? Didn't they just gut their coaching staff? Can't we just just call him the Vice-assistant head coach, defense, or something, and sign him as a move-up? Never liked Fassel, but that may be due to my years in NYC when he was coaching the gints. The assistants sound good. Biggest worry: killing chemistry of the team by kicking GW to the curb. Worry 2: JC's learning a new system, but it can't be more complex than Al's fabled 700 pager. Worry 3: Danny-boy took this route to maintain full meddling controls, and he got rid of GW because he wanted to run things like Gibbs. It's a wait-and-see deal for me. Change is pretty much a constant in the NFL, so this shouldn't be that surprising. And the relationship between owner and coach has to be pretty solid, especially with a hands-on type like the Danny. If GW, who is not known for his flexibility in these things, had come in and had trouble, we'd be seeing this next season anyway, or maybe halfway through. Of course, now we'll never know if GW could have flourished here, and we may rue it when he lands elsewhere. Once Gibbs stepped down, how many of you really thought this was going to be a mellow and predictable process? Just friggin win! That cures all ills, pretty much. __________________ Hail from Houston!

01-23-2008, 07:15 PM	#50
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! Fassel did give one of the best speeches back in Nov. of 2000 when he guaranteed the Giants were going to the playoffs (they went on to win the NFC Championship). The "pushing all my chips to the center of the table" speech. It's in this article: FOOTBALL; Unpredictably, Fassel Foretells Playoffs for Giants - New York Times __________________ Tardy

01-23-2008, 07:27 PM	#52
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! My buddy just shot me a text saying G.Williams to Jacksonville as D.Coordinator... I'm sure it's a rumor at this point, but that would be a good move for him. They have some phenomenal personnel on that D. They'll be nasty with Gregg running them. __________________ Tardy

01-23-2008, 07:37 PM	#56
rskinz Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! What a effen joke! Would someone please bye this franchise from the worst owner in sports

01-23-2008, 07:49 PM	#58
IggyG Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 37	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! Oh my...if this is the case then we are in a heap of... We would be better off to hire a regular joe off the street and we would get the same result as we would hiring Fassel. Fassel sucks and Snyder should make himself coach since that would be the only thing to make him ultimately happy.

01-23-2008, 07:51 PM	#59
cwboyh8ter Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Virginia born and raised Posts: 26	Re: Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my! The exact opposite of what everyone thinks you should do! Danny boy I sure hope you know what the hell you're doing!!! __________________ THANK YOU JOE!

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