Democratic National Convention 2012

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Good. At least someone's keeping church separate from state.

I don't think it's a problem to at least acknowldge the good Lord in the party platform. That's certainly not pushing religion on anyone. I think the Dems have swung too far away from God/religion and should track back to the middle a bit.

Conservatives will always be a joke to me until they can stop pandering to evangelicals. If Republicans would stick to cutting spending, small government and staying as far away from social issues as possible (i.e. leaving abortion and gay-marriage as a STATE ISSUE and stop beating everyone over the head with religion and viewing everyone who is different from them either religiously or sexually as godless heathens), I MIGHT be able to respect them. Hell maybe even see some issues from their angle. Otherwise my allegiances lie with democrats. The economy is important to me but social issues are as well.

We agree here and fiscal conservatives / social moderates are working within the GOP to track to the middle as well. I think, if elected you'll see Mitt be socially moderate as in MA.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Where have you been? Its the left and Obama trying to make gay marrage a federal issue. You do know some state recognize gay marriage Also Mitt has said Abortion is a court issue and it is not on the ballot. Its the left trying to bring abiortion into the debate every chance they get. He has also said in the past that if anything he thinks it should become a state issue and not a federal issue. So it seems you have your wish. Next time you hear those issue brought up think about the source and you will see its from the left.

Mitts Stand On Abortion

Abortion burned as a front burner issue in 1994. Romney established himself as a passionate supporter of abortion rights early on in the campaign, despite his personal opposition to abortion. In fact, his professed views would grow more liberal over the course of the race. Romney initially said he opposed Medicaid funding for abortion. He later softened that position to say he favored leaving the question of coverage up to the states. Romney also endorsed the legalization of RU-486, the abortion-inducing drug, and appeared in June at a fund-raiser for Planned Parenthood. Ann Romney gave the group $150.

Romney asserted that his family had supported a woman's right to a safe, legal abortion ever since the October 1963 death of his brother-in-law's sister, Ann Hartman Keenan, from complication following an illegal abortion. Source: The Real Romney, by Kranish & Helman, p,183 Jan 17, 2012

Sure he won't have a hand in it. He'll just nominate supreme court judges who WOULD overturn it. This is one of his promises. Just like he pledged to sign a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Or did he flip flop on that issue too?

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;937060]Sure he won't have a hand in it. He'll just nominate supreme court judges who WOULD overturn it. This is one of his promises. Just like he pledged to sign a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Or did he flip flop on that issue too?[/QUOTE]

Did you even read the link.

Romney asserted that his family had supported a woman's right to a safe, legal abortion ever since the October 1963 death of his brother-in-law's sister, Ann Hartman Keenan, from complication following an illegal abortion. Source: The Real Romney, by Kranish & Helman, p,183 Jan 17, 2012


Strike two:
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's campaign said Tuesday that he will not sign a conservative Iowa Christian group's far-reaching pledge opposing gay marriage, making him the first Republican presidential candidate to reject it.

[DynamiteRave]

[quote=firstdown;937061]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Sure he won't have a hand in it. He'll just nominate supreme court judges who WOULD overturn it. This is one of his promises. Just like he pledged to sign a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Or did he flip flop on that issue too?[/QUOTE]

Did you even read the link.

Romney asserted that his family had supported a woman's right to a safe, legal abortion ever since the October 1963 death of his brother-in-law's sister, Ann Hartman Keenan, from complication following an illegal abortion. Source: The Real Romney, by Kranish & Helman, p,183 Jan 17, 2012

Nope. Because 1994 Romney isn't 2012 "I'm pandering to the religious right" Romney. Give me updated data and we can talk.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Sure he won't have a hand in it. He'll just nominate supreme court judges who WOULD overturn it. This is one of his promises. Just like he pledged to sign a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Or did he flip flop on that issue too?

He did sign the pledge

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He did sign the pledge

Maybe you should post the whole link next time.

Mitt Romney Rejects The Family Leader's 'Marriage Vow' Pledge

Two of Romney's rivals for the Republican nomination, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, have signed the The Family Leader's 14-point pledge, which calls on the candidates to denounce same-sex marriage rights, pornography, same-sex military accommodations and forms of Islamic law.

When it was first circulated last week, the introduction to the pledge stated that African American children were more likely to be raised in two-parent households when they were born into slavery than they are today. The group struck that language and apologized after black ministers complained, but it said it stands by the rest of the document.

This isn't an AMERICAN pledge. It's just some crazy-ass crackpot's pledge.

[DynamiteRave]

Oh.

p.s. That's from last year.

[DynamiteRave]

Anyway. This thread wasn't supposed to turn into this. Back to your regularly scheduled convention.

Bill Clinton tonight? Good? Bad?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Bill Clinton tonight? Good? Bad?

[NC_Skins]

Just in: Democrats update platform with Jerusalem, God reference – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just in: Democrats update platform with Jerusalem, God reference – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Bent under pressure.

Should be interesting to see what they threw together.

[los panda]

i watched the first lady last night. makes me think about how much is wrong at the very top.

we need to ban parties altogether, boiling it down to 1 choice between the same 2 parties every 4 years...
i'm not going to mcdonald's because they pissed all over my food last time, oh ok i'll just go to burger king because they only pissed on my fries the time before last ...then i'll go back to mcdonald's. can't go to wendy's or anywhere else because presidential primaries are more useful than electricity

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by los panda

i watched the first lady last night. makes me think about how much is wrong at the very top.

we need to ban parties altogether, boiling it down to 1 choice between the same 2 parties every 4 years...
i'm not going to mcdonald's because they pissed all over my food last time, oh ok i'll just go to burger king because they only pissed on my fries the time before last ...then i'll go back to mcdonald's. can't go to wendy's or anywhere else because presidential primaries are more useful than electricity

I think the 2 party system is broken. It'd be nice to see independents, the green party and libertarians actually have a leg to stand on.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Agreed. People get so wrapped up in being part of a single party that they don't even think of the facts (not that either group does what they say). I've had to de-friend at least a dozen friends on Facebook this year because of random garbage posting that has no bearing on what this country needs to care about.

I don't care how you feel about abortion/gun control/the rest/etc. etc. etc. etc. I want to know what your party is going to do for me and my family. Those issues and that debate aren't going to matter to me.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Anyway. This thread wasn't supposed to turn into this. Back to your regularly scheduled convention.

Bill Clinton tonight? Good? Bad?

No matter what, agree or disagree, he will be interesting.