Portis Overrated?

Anthony Chance · 12-10-2005, 04:59 PM

Why is it that the favorite QB on a team is the one who is not playing. It is unfair to critisize Brunell, he is probably the only good thing that has come out of this dismal season. He will retire as a Redskin and our playoff droubt will end under him.

wolfeskins · 12-10-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Exactly. I prefer to judge QBs based on winning.

and he looks pretty good in minn. right know too.

jdlea · 12-10-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Chance

Why is it that the favorite QB on a team is the one who is not playing. It is unfair to critisize Brunell, he is probably the only good thing that has come out of this dismal season. He will retire as a Redskin and our playoff droubt will end under him.

I didn't say that I would prefer anyone else on the team be the QB. I said that Trent Green and Brad Johnson are better than Brunell. I didn't say I wanted Ramsey or Campbell to play.

There's no way, in my mind, you can absolve Mark Brunell from blame for this season.

Anthony Chance · 12-10-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Exactly. I prefer to judge QBs based on winning.

So, what do you judge RBs on because if you haven't noticed we are not winning.

I don't understand why so many praise Portis, and critisize Brunell. This is a team and everyone is equaly responsible for the loosing seasons.

wolfeskins · 12-10-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Chance

Why is it that the favorite QB on a team is the one who is not playing. It is unfair to critisize Brunell, he is probably the only good thing that has come out of this dismal season. He will retire as a Redskin and our playoff droubt will end under him.

i hope your right. brunell deserved all the criticism he recieved last year , as for this year, he is doing a much better job and i havn't seen a lot of criticism thrown at him this year coming from the warpath. he gets a little but then again everyone gets a little.

jdlea · 12-10-2005, 05:04 PM

And how can you say that Brunell is the only good thing to come out of this season? Clinton Portis is having a better year this year than he did last year. Santana Moss has been great. Ladell Betts has looked like a very good change of pace back. LaVar is back and he's starting to look like his old self.

But you would say that Brunell is the only good thing that came out of this season? Are you kidding me?

jdlea · 12-10-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Chance

So, what do you judge RBs on because if you haven't noticed we are not winning.

I don't understand why so many praise Portis, and critisize Brunell. This is a team and everyone is equaly responsible for the loosing seasons.

I base my assessment of running backs on yards and yards per carry. Period. I pretty much judge QBs on winning, TDs and yards. Of those I would say that Portis qualifies as a very good back and Brunell is only a mediocre QB.

illdefined · 12-10-2005, 05:07 PM

at the end of the year, someone needs to make a Greatest Blocks compilation video for Portis. in fact they will probably make one for one of those AllMadden, Ironman post season shows.

if you think our vastly improved passing game has nothing to do with Portis's ability as a running threat, AND a blocker, you're simply not paying attention. whenever Portis sits out its because he's HITTING defensive linemen (to the ground), not because he's getting hit by them on runs. there are no stats or pro-bowl recognition for pass blocking, but he takes pride in it and has helped our team immensely.

he puts himself at risk because he also trusts his backups, without hesitation he'll also glady let Betts and Rock rack up the 4th quarter yds or Sellers get the TD. thats selflessness.

there should also be Press Conference compilation video. even after a gut wrenching 3 game losing streak - Portis is out there fighting for the team every week no matter what. Portis has done nothing but produce for the Redskins in every way, and always done alot more than what has been asked of him.

ask Gibbs (or Brunell) if he'd like anyone else at running back right now and he'd probably laugh right in your face.

wolfeskins · 12-10-2005, 05:08 PM

i would say santana moss is the best thing that has come this season. he is making life so much better for clinton and brunell. as a whole the skins offense looks much improved over last year.

illdefined · 12-10-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I base my assessment of running backs on yards and yards per carry. Period. I pretty much judge QBs on winning, TDs and yards. Of those I would say that Portis qualifies as a very good back and Brunell is only a mediocre QB.

following that logic, we should run out and get T.O. :frusty:

jdlea · 12-10-2005, 05:10 PM

Based on what he does between the lines he's great. Would you argue that he's a great reciever? He's an asshole, but that doesn't mean he can't play the game. I wouldn't get him because there's no telling what he'd say to the media, but if I could get him to shut up and play, you're damn right I'd take him.

FYI, I'm not so naive that I think that anyone can get TO to shut up and play.

wolfeskins · 12-10-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

following that logic, we should run out and get T.O. :frusty:

he never said what he basis a wr on .

jdlea · 12-10-2005, 05:13 PM

Yards and Touchdowns, that's what I base em on. TO is a great wide receiver. You can't argue that.

Anthony Chance · 12-10-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I base my assessment of running backs on yards and yards per carry. Period. I pretty much judge QBs on winning, TDs and yards. Of those I would say that Portis qualifies as a very good back and Brunell is only a mediocre QB.

I wouldn't trade Brunell for any other QB right now. He has done more than enough to win games. Our problems lie within bad play calling, giving up big plays on defense, terrible game changing calls by the officials, not getting turnovers on defense, and poor play by special teams.

wolfeskins · 12-10-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Chance

I wouldn't trade Brunell for any other QB right now. He has done more than enough to win games. Our problems lie within bad play calling, giving up big plays on defense, terrible game changing calls by the officials, not getting turnovers on defense, and poor play by special teams.

you left out a huge problem and probably the biggest, too many 3 and out on offense , that mostly falls on gibbs and brunell . it also leads to a lot of the struggles on defense , the offense needs to be able to put together some drives so that the defense can catch thier breath.

12-10-2005, 04:59 PM	#46
Anthony Chance Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 26	Re: Portis Overrated? Why is it that the favorite QB on a team is the one who is not playing. It is unfair to critisize Brunell, he is probably the only good thing that has come out of this dismal season. He will retire as a Redskin and our playoff droubt will end under him.

12-10-2005, 05:04 PM	#51
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Portis Overrated? And how can you say that Brunell is the only good thing to come out of this season? Clinton Portis is having a better year this year than he did last year. Santana Moss has been great. Ladell Betts has looked like a very good change of pace back. LaVar is back and he's starting to look like his old self. But you would say that Brunell is the only good thing that came out of this season? Are you kidding me?

12-10-2005, 05:07 PM	#53
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: Portis Overrated? at the end of the year, someone needs to make a Greatest Blocks compilation video for Portis. in fact they will probably make one for one of those AllMadden, Ironman post season shows. if you think our vastly improved passing game has nothing to do with Portis's ability as a running threat, AND a blocker, you're simply not paying attention. whenever Portis sits out its because he's HITTING defensive linemen (to the ground), not because he's getting hit by them on runs. there are no stats or pro-bowl recognition for pass blocking, but he takes pride in it and has helped our team immensely. he puts himself at risk because he also trusts his backups, without hesitation he'll also glady let Betts and Rock rack up the 4th quarter yds or Sellers get the TD. thats selflessness. there should also be Press Conference compilation video. even after a gut wrenching 3 game losing streak - Portis is out there fighting for the team every week no matter what. Portis has done nothing but produce for the Redskins in every way, and always done alot more than what has been asked of him. ask Gibbs (or Brunell) if he'd like anyone else at running back right now and he'd probably laugh right in your face. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

12-10-2005, 05:08 PM	#54
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Portis Overrated? i would say santana moss is the best thing that has come this season. he is making life so much better for clinton and brunell. as a whole the skins offense looks much improved over last year. __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

12-10-2005, 05:10 PM	#56
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Portis Overrated? Based on what he does between the lines he's great. Would you argue that he's a great reciever? He's an asshole, but that doesn't mean he can't play the game. I wouldn't get him because there's no telling what he'd say to the media, but if I could get him to shut up and play, you're damn right I'd take him. FYI, I'm not so naive that I think that anyone can get TO to shut up and play.

12-10-2005, 05:13 PM	#58
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Portis Overrated? Yards and Touchdowns, that's what I base em on. TO is a great wide receiver. You can't argue that.

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