Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's part of the story.

wasnt the key to the story, who got cheatin with?

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but to your earlier post it wasn't Allen/Shanahan that pissed Los off. That bridge burned long before.

Anyhow, Redskins HC 2016....Raheem Morris. You think I'm joking

I pray to God Kyle becomes out next head coach.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

wasnt the key to the story, who got cheatin with?

That's another part of it

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's another part of it

Some reporter right?


...but why would he be bitter to the Redskins though? What exactly did the Skins do to him beyond the franchise tag?

[SmootSmack]

That was allegedly one person in this whole mess

[Skinzman]

So Champs wife tells him he has to get out of Washington or else she will leave him, then leaves him a year or two after he got to Denver.

Doesnt sound like leaving Washington helped him much when it comes to his marriage.

[SmootSmack]

The full story is more explosive. Affairs, pregnancies, threatened lawsuits, and an owner who said "what the **** Champ?! Don't drag me into this mess" (and rightfully so)

Ask Matty

[los panda]

sounds like a good novela

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So tired of the Vinny argument. MS and Bruce have to be held accountable for trading away picks for McNabb, for trading away picks for Brown, changing the defense and low balling Rogers. Atogwe couldn't play anymore so it didn't matter if he left and they didn't want to mess around with LL cause of his injury. Then you bring in band aids..one has a drug problem and can't play. Then you over pay Morgan and he's not playing up to his pay check. IMO he gets one more year but he needs to make the playoffs next year. 4 years in a row of no post season play at 7 mil per year???? Who keeps their job in the NFL with that record??? NO ONE.

Indeed. Three years is enough time to turn things around where it matters - winning - if you have a real plan and know what your doing. Three years is a lifetime in the NFL. The league is structured to promote parity, through the draft, salary cap, FA etc. A five year contract for a coach is still fine, but if he can't improve the record in year three it's just wishful thinking year 4 or 5 will be better.

The other thing is, this regime has made as many really bad FA moves as the last. McNabb, Brown, a litany of defensive players that aren't making an impact. I like the way GTripp said it, Gibbs turned it around by year 2 with smart FA moves and solid coaching. Mike's had three years and we're NO CLOSER TO BEING A COMPETITIVE TEAM than when he took over, period.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Indeed. Three years is enough time to turn things around where it matters - winning - if you have a real plan and know what your doing. Three years is a lifetime in the NFL. The league is structured to promote parity, through the draft, salary cap, FA etc. A five year contract for a coach is still fine, but if he can't improve the record in year three it's just wishful thinking year 4 or 5 will be better.

The other thing is, this regime has made as many really bad FA moves as the last. McNabb, Brown, a litany of defensive players that aren't making an impact. I like the way GTripp said it, Gibbs turned it around by year 2 with smart FA moves and solid coaching. Mike's had three years and we're NO CLOSER TO BEING A COMPETITIVE TEAM than when he took over, period.

I was struck by the matter of fact manner you use. I must ask, to make your statement carry any weight or validity....what exactly is your experience on subject matters such as this? What is your level of expertise in NFL matter?

If you

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I was struck by the matter of fact manner you use. I must ask, to make your statement carry any weight or validity....what exactly is your experience on subject matters such as this? What is your level of expertise in NFL matter?

If you

Too many examples to list of coaches that turn a broken franchise around and achieve a winning record and/or even the playoffs. But top of my mind: Lions, Niners, Bengals, and of course Redskins in Gibbs II.

So I guess observation is my answer. Three years is a long time in any sport, but the way NFL promotes parity through it's structure (think about how baseball doesn't have a salary cap) I think you see it here the most.

[Hog1]

Sooo, to extrapolate, you have no actual practical experience in any NFL or sports related field? No expertise to be relied on. Nothing that would lend credence or validity to your statements.
Your a...fan....like so many others...HTTR

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Sooo, to extrapolate, you have no actual practical experience in any NFL or sports related field? No expertise to be relied on. Nothing that would lend credence or validity to your statements.
Your a...fan....like so many others...HTTR

I guess if you want to ignore the rest of the league it's your choice? Not sure why you'd do that, but maybe you can enlighten me?

[Hog1]

No, I think all the important facts have already been revealed.....

[The Goat]

^^ No idea what that's supposed to mean...neither do you, I suspect lol. Any honest person can speak to how quickly other coaches/regimes have turned a losing team into a winner. The bigger point, in fact the real issue, is that Mike's regime hasn't succeeded because of its own failures and nothing to do with what happened four, or five, or eight years ago. When you count up the failed FA signings etc of this regime it's right there with the three preceeding years.