RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?

SBXVII · 01-22-2009, 07:05 PM

This does not pass the smell test....but having said that I would like to see some new ideas come to the front office. My biggest question is ....is there anyway Snyder is trying to figure out how to bring Allen in as a GM, keep Cerrato in the position he is in with his fancy name title, and have Allen kinda teach Cerrato the ropes. I know it's a horrible way to think but I can't see Snyder letting his man Cerrato go but I can see Cerrato being a buffer between him and possibly a GM. Even if we did this it would be nice to have fresh ideas about some of the contract stuff but if all it will accomplish is friction between upper management as to how to: which particular player we should go after or draft or how the contract should be written then we could do without. Let Cousin Vinny and Zorn have their extra year and if it does not work out move on.

but ...I wonder if Snyder is not wanting to pass up on another great mind and have Allen in the wings if Cerrato/Zorn can't get the job done. Because who knows who will be available a year from now? GM wise.

44ever · 01-22-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

This does not pass the smell test....but having said that I would like to see some new ideas come to the front office. My biggest question is ....is there anyway Snyder is trying to figure out how to bring Allen in as a GM, keep Cerrato in the position he is in with his fancy name title, and have Allen kinda teach Cerrato the ropes. I know it's a horrible way to think but I can't see Snyder letting his man Cerrato go but I can see Cerrato being a buffer between him and possibly a GM. Even if we did this it would be nice to have fresh ideas about some of the contract stuff but if all it will accomplish is friction between upper management as to how to: which particular player we should go after or draft or how the contract should be written then we could do without. Let Cousin Vinny and Zorn have their extra year and if it does not work out move on.

but ...I wonder if Snyder is not wanting to pass up on another great mind and have Allen in the wings if Cerrato/Zorn can't get the job done. Because who knows who will be available a year from now? GM wise.

I was thinking along the same lines bring him in as a assistant to Vinny but how could they justify putting him on the payroll for that position. Plus what kind of message does it send. Also like you said, who knows who's available next year.

I think if you bring in a Vinny replacement, you fire Vinny. So there is no cross contamination

I can't see were this guy fits in honestly. But anythings possible I guess.

BrunellMVP? · 01-22-2009, 07:22 PM

frankly, he has to be an upgrade, i know that sounds horrible and void of rationality, but really, Vinny has to cede some authority, his system hasn't worked- he's never fielded a team with a LEGITIMATE chance at winning a superbowl (eking into the playoffs doesn't count in my mind).

SmootSmack · 01-22-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

frankly, he has to be an upgrade, i know that sounds horrible and void of rationality, but really, Vinny has to cede some authority, his system hasn't worked- he's never fielded a team with a LEGITIMATE chance at winning a superbowl (eking into the playoffs doesn't count in my mind).

You're right. I mean let's look at the past four years

2004: 5-11
2005: 11-5 (eliminated in Wild Card round)
2006: 4-12
2007: 9-7 (lose 3 of last 4 but still make the playoffs...only to get eliminated in WC round
2008: 9-7 (lose last 4 games to miss the playoffs)

Oh wait...that's the Bucs under Bruce Allen

BrunellMVP? · 01-22-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're right. I mean let's look at the past four years

2004: 5-11
2005: 11-5 (eliminated in Wild Card round)
2006: 4-12
2007: 9-7 (lose 3 of last 4 but still make the playoffs...only to get eliminated in WC round
2008: 9-7 (lose last 4 games to miss the playoffs)

Oh wait...that's the Bucs under Bruce Allen

I frankly don't believe we'd settle for someone who doesn't have a name or isn't a bona fide rising star...so if Bruce Allen doesn't fit the bill (which it sounds like he doesn't) then he isn't our guy...
also, the record above looks pretty similar to skin's record (in fact its the exact same!) - and i'll bet the bucs didn't lead the league (top 3) in salary every year...

Redskins Record
2008 : 8-8
2007: 9-7
2006: 5-11
2005: 10-6
2004: 6-10

Dirtbag59 · 01-22-2009, 07:42 PM

Personally I think I would rather wait a year, see how Vinny does, pray he doesn't give up any of next years picks and then if he fails go after a guy like Eric DeCosta during next years offseason, all the while promising him full autonomy over football operations. Either way there's very little chance of Bruce Allen replacing Vinny short of a tradgedy. Knock on wood.

44ever · 01-22-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Personally I think I would rather wait a year, see how Vinny does, pray he doesn't give up any of next years picks and then if he fails go after a guy like Eric DeCosta during next years offseason, all the while promising him full autonomy over football operations. Either way there's very little chance of Bruce Allen replacing Vinny short of a tradgedy. Knock on wood.

Agree

Carnage · 01-22-2009, 08:52 PM

How many draft picks will this cost us?

SmootSmack · 01-22-2009, 09:13 PM

I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen

MTK · 01-22-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen

I completely agree.

Hell if all we want is change for the sake of change I want to throw my name into the hat. Give me a call, Danny. Wait til you see my Madden franchise.

53Fan · 01-22-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen

I agree with that.

celts32 · 01-22-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen

Well I really want a Sam Adams but if you make me wait long enough I will probably settle for a Budweiser...

SBXVII · 01-23-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

Well I really want a Sam Adams but if you make me wait long enough I will probably settle for a Budweiser...

All I want is Popeyes spicey chicken but were stuck with McDonalds chicken nuggets.

celts32 · 01-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

All I want is Popeyes spicey chicken but were stuck with McDonalds chicken nuggets.

Loooooove that chicken at Popeyes...POPPIN FRESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schneed10 · 01-22-2009, 09:42 PM

It should be noted that this is ProFootballTalk. Until I see something more legitimate I'm not going to pay it much mind.

01-22-2009, 07:05 PM	#1
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins? This does not pass the smell test....but having said that I would like to see some new ideas come to the front office. My biggest question is ....is there anyway Snyder is trying to figure out how to bring Allen in as a GM, keep Cerrato in the position he is in with his fancy name title, and have Allen kinda teach Cerrato the ropes. I know it's a horrible way to think but I can't see Snyder letting his man Cerrato go but I can see Cerrato being a buffer between him and possibly a GM. Even if we did this it would be nice to have fresh ideas about some of the contract stuff but if all it will accomplish is friction between upper management as to how to: which particular player we should go after or draft or how the contract should be written then we could do without. Let Cousin Vinny and Zorn have their extra year and if it does not work out move on. but ...I wonder if Snyder is not wanting to pass up on another great mind and have Allen in the wings if Cerrato/Zorn can't get the job done. Because who knows who will be available a year from now? GM wise.

01-22-2009, 07:22 PM	#3
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins? frankly, he has to be an upgrade, i know that sounds horrible and void of rationality, but really, Vinny has to cede some authority, his system hasn't worked- he's never fielded a team with a LEGITIMATE chance at winning a superbowl (eking into the playoffs doesn't count in my mind). __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

01-22-2009, 07:42 PM	#6
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 41 Posts: 14,750	Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins? Personally I think I would rather wait a year, see how Vinny does, pray he doesn't give up any of next years picks and then if he fails go after a guy like Eric DeCosta during next years offseason, all the while promising him full autonomy over football operations. Either way there's very little chance of Bruce Allen replacing Vinny short of a tradgedy. Knock on wood. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

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Carnage Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 473	Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins? How many draft picks will this cost us?

01-22-2009, 09:13 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins? I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 47 Posts: 12,458	Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins? It should be noted that this is ProFootballTalk. Until I see something more legitimate I'm not going to pay it much mind. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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