Tebow or McCoy?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Dude he had the #1 rushing offense and a huge offensive line around him in '09. What more can you ask for? It begs the question many had about JC. Was he good on his own or was it because he had two first round RBs lining up behind him. And yes Florida was stacked with talent compared to the likes of Florida Atlantic, Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Carolina, Miss St, etc. Most of the major conferences had sort of a down year in terms of competition for the conference titles. Only the two teams that went to the championship game were really the only ones in contention the entire season(PAC 10 was a bit exciting the last 3 weeks). You want Tebow you can have him. He is a project at best.

The #1 rushing offense? Damn right. Did you really just use rushing offense as an excuse for his success? Man that's hilarious, considering Tebow has more rushing TD's than any player in SEC history. He was a bigger part of the rushing offense than any of the Florida RBs. Instead of saying he "had the best rushing offense," maybe you should re-phrase and say he "was the best rushing offense." In addition to all the passing TDs that is.

Ole Miss, Arkansas, Georgia, Bama, South Carolina, and LSU were all pretty strong last season. Hell, LSU had won 30+ straight night games in Baton Rouge until Tebow showed up last fall. The SEC has had better years, but they are still the bell cow conference in college football, and he still dominated. But, like the typical Tebow hater, all you can do is reference the one game vs. Bama and mock him for crying. Coaches bend over backwards to find leaders who care that much.

Quick question- why did you mention Florida Atlantic???

[Son Of Man]

Colt McCoy.....holds collegiate record in career victories, the focal point of the offense and universally recognized as THE team leader.

Tim Tebow.....2 National Championships, 1 Heisman Trophy (3 time finalist), the focal point of the offense and universally recognized as THE team leader.


Either way we go our franchise will have THE team leader for the next 15 years. Log it!

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You want Tebow you can have him. He is a project at best.

lets not forget the thread title. tebow or mccoy. i'm not sure tebow is anyones first choice at qb.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

lets not forget the thread title. tebow or mccoy. i'm not sure tebow is anyones first choice at qb.

But at the same time he could be as high as second. Most likely third on the list of teams that like him. It's just that some teams won't take Clausen till the second and that isn't likely to happen.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

But at the same time he could be as high as second. Most likely third on the list of teams that like him. It's just that some teams won't take Clausen till the second and that isn't likely to happen.

let me clarify, i dont think tebow is first on the list of anyone here on this site. most would prolly want bradford or clauson. but you are correct in what you said.

[Landry44]

I don't believe either one of these guys could can get it done in the NFL. So I didn't vote for either one.

[mredskins]

I mentioned this before but if the Skins draft Tebow it will divde this board big time. Look at the voting. you will have to make an avatar of Punchy wearing the number 15.

[MTK]

I'm not sure we could draft someone that the board will be 100% behind. Every player seems to have their share of supporters and doubters.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not sure we could draft someone that the board will be 100% behind. Every player seems to have their share of supporters and doubters.

Oh but Tebow is special.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not sure we could draft someone that the board will be 100% behind. Every player seems to have their share of supporters and doubters.

Agreed. And being a Florida alum and HUGE fan, I obviously have my Tebow biases. I do have my doubts about him though. I've maintained all along that he needs to sit for at least one season, probably two before he's ready to play pro ball.

As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, Tebow is less of a risk than a guy like McCoy because of his athleticism. He's big, fast, very strong, and has a 38 inch vertical. Even if he doesn't work out at QB, he can still be a good HB, special teamer, and wildcat player. If any of the other top QB prospects bust, they are destined to be nothing more than a clipboard holder, or out of the league all together.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not sure we could draft someone that the board will be 100% behind. Every player seems to have their share of supporters and doubters.

I think Okung or Suh would be close to 100% in approval. But after that, someone is always going to hate the pick.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Okung or Suh would be close to 100% in approval. But after that, someone is always going to hate the pick.

I'd be happy with either; however the "problem" with Okung is that we could probably get a tackle 90% as good 10-20 picks later in the draft. if Suh were on the board, i'd be pretty pissed if we did anything other than drafting him or trading down, since we would have plenty of offers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'd be happy with either; however the "problem" with Okung is that we could probably get a tackle 90% as good 10-20 picks later in the draft. if Suh were on the board, i'd be pretty pissed if we did anything other than drafting him or trading down, since we would have plenty of offers.

The only real OT in the draft that I would consider about 90% as good as Okung would be Trent Williams. Anthony Davis, Charles Brown, and Brian Bulaga all come with immediate value, but I would file them in "best of the rest" territory.

I'm higher on Davis than most because I think he's a top three LT in this draft, but I'd obviously feel a lot better about him had Andre Smith been a positive contributor on the 2009 Bengals. I don't necessarily think Smith is a bust nor is Davis any way dependent on Smith to be successful, but as long as teams are going to back their evaluations on these "character issue" types with their dollar, I'd really like to see it pay off for someone first.

I wouldn't be unhappy with any of the above, but ultimately, when you are trying to improve a team, you do that by grabbing the best player you can get who won't be blocked by a veteran. Any situation where we land Okung, it'd be tough to argue that we didn't get the best player available. But going further on down that list, we might then be passing up steals to address an obvious need.

Okung is the offensive Suh in this draft, but there is no Gerald McCoy comparable. The next best offensive player is probably Spiller.

[murphy196]

If we draft Tebow before the 5th round, I will lose all respect that I have gained so far this off season for our front office. The guy is a 3 yr project!!!! He is NOT an NFL QB!!!

[irish]

I wouldnt really want either of these QBs but if I have to pick I take McCoy. He's more of a pro-style QB while TT is a college style QB that I dont think has the accuracy needed to succeed in the pros.