Redskins Potentially Interested in Trading Up For Gabbert

[SmootSmack]

I think perhaps more foolish than trading up to #2 to get Gabbert is thinking that we have some distinct advantage in getting Luck by keeping our 1st rounder next year (and even adding a 2nd first rounder next year).

Luck's only in a Redskins uniform if we have the 1st overall pick next year

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think perhaps more foolish than trading up to #2 to get Gabbert is thinking that we have some distinct advantage in getting Luck by keeping our 1st rounder next year (and even adding a 2nd first rounder next year).

Luck's only in a Redskins uniform if we have the 1st overall pick next year

yep and I dont want to go 2-14

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

yep and I dont want to go 2-14

And that may not even do it. The division we play in will always give us a strong strength of schedule which is used as a tie breaker for the draft order. We will likely need to be a full game worse then everyone else since we likely won't win a tie breaker. That's like a 0 or 1 win season...never gonna happen. And if Luck is as good as advertised again next season then the team with the #1 pick will not even seriously entertain offers.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think perhaps more foolish than trading up to #2 to get Gabbert is thinking that we have some distinct advantage in getting Luck by keeping our 1st rounder next year (and even adding a 2nd first rounder next year).

Luck's only in a Redskins uniform if we have the 1st overall pick next year

Yes, agreed it would be foolish to trade up. I will say if we go into 2011 w/ just Beck at QB (i think we'll resign RG and release DM though) we might stand a chance at that first pick. I think we'll be better than that but it's possible. There's just alot of holes on this team. It's going to get better but there's alot of holes to fill.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Yes, agreed it would be foolish to trade up. I will say if we go into 2011 w/ just Beck at QB (i think we'll resign RG and release DM though) we might stand a chance at that first pick. I think we'll be better than that but it's possible. There's just alot of holes on this team. It's going to get better but there's alot of holes to fill.

Think about how bad Zorn's 2nd season was and the best it got us was picking 4th. Having the worst record is almost as hard as having the best.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think perhaps more foolish than trading up to #2 to get Gabbert is thinking that we have some distinct advantage in getting Luck by keeping our 1st rounder next year (and even adding a 2nd first rounder next year).

Luck's only in a Redskins uniform if we have the 1st overall pick next year

If the the team who has the first pick doesn't need a qb, we could trade our two 1st round picks for the #1 overall. That was the point I was trying to make.

[Ruhskins]

We just need to start some crazy rumor about Gabbert doing drugs or something so he can slip to us at #10. LOL.

[MTK]

Agreed on Luck. No chance of getting him unless we have the #1 pick, and chances of that will be slim.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed on Luck. No chance of getting him unless we have the #1 pick, and chances of that will be slim.

Assuming that we have a draft. At present there is no guarantee of a draft in 2012. I think it's more likely that there will be one, but if the players were really insistent on dropping it, I think it could be sacrificed in conjunction w/a rookie wage scale.

[GTripp0012]

I have Gabbert rated higher this year than I had Bradford rated last year. After a healthy rookie year, I am now confident that Bradford is going to be the better pro. But I didn't know that a year ago. The other thing in play was that last year's draft was a LOT stronger at non QB positions.

Gabbert, I think, could be the 5th best player in this draft. The elite class is Miller, Peterson, Dareus, and Green. Then, if you buy into him as a professional, Fairley is number five. Gabbert is the next guy on my board.

[GTripp0012]

Put another way: Matt Ryan's completion percentage in three years as a pro is exactly identical to Gabbert's in two years as the starter at Missouri.

[skinsfaninok]

If BG equals Ryan we need to take him at 2

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If BG equals Ryan we need to take him at 2

Well, let me go the other way and play devil's advocate: If Ryan had struggled as a rookie instead of winning ROY, and then was mediocre in his second year, and instead of leading the Falcons to the playoffs this past year, instead lead a losing team out of the doldrums and to 8-8 (looking exactly as promising as he does now), would you still think he's worth a top three pick? I say no.

Remember, you have the same player Matt Ryan, who will probably go to 2 or 3 probowls in the next decade and compete with Josh Freeman and Drew Brees to win the NFC South in most years, but if you didn't have any of the early career success, would he still be as valuable? That's Gabbert.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, let me go the other way and play devil's advocate: If Ryan had struggled as a rookie instead of winning ROY, and then was mediocre in his second year, and instead of leading the Falcons to the playoffs this past year, instead lead a losing team out of the doldrums and to 8-8 (looking exactly as promising as he does now), would you still think he's worth a top three pick? I say no.

Remember, you have the same player Matt Ryan, who will probably go to 2 or 3 probowls in the next decade and compete with Josh Freeman and Drew Brees to win the NFC South in most years, but if you didn't have any of the early career success, would he still be as valuable? That's Gabbert.

Which reminds me of another comparison I heard from McShay with Aaron Rodgers.

McShay compares Gabbert to Rodgers, Newton to Big Ben | ProFootballTalk

“With Gabbert, he’s more of an Aaron Rodgers type,” added McShay. “The understanding of the position, he’s gonna continue to improve in that area. Gabbert has a chance to become really technically sound. He shows great football intelligence.

“Obviously, we’re going to see these quarterbacks come off the board pretty quickly.”

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If BG equals Ryan we need to take him at 2

If we take him at 2, that will be the only player we draft in 2011. We'll have to give up the rest of our picks most likely to jump up the draft board that far.

NOT worth it.