Has the team mailed it in? (If so, why?)

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Once you realize Shanny is not the guy it all becomes so obvious doesnt it? The excuses start to melt away and nothing is left but cold hard facts.

I think if we don't end this season at 8-8, Shanahan's gone. I won't feel horrible about it, but I'm still not ready to cry "mutiny" on the Shanahans yet.

If he gets fired, its cool and if he doesn't, that's cool too.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Once you realize Shanny is not the guy it all becomes so obvious doesnt it?

It was always pretty obvious.

The illusion fell for me after the disasterous 2010 season, allowing me to look at all the moves since then in context. It was always pretty obvious.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Totally agree. It would be nice if they can dig deep and get on a winning streak. The only team remaining on the schedule I see them losing to is the Ravens. They can beat both Philly and Dallas twice and I'm not too concerned about the lucky Giants. Even if they finish 8-8 it would still be a positive step in the right direction.

Was Carolina on that list last week?
If they finish 8-8 it wouldnt be a positive step in the right direction. It would be a god damn miracle!

[44Deezel]

Did Shanny say they shed $100mil worth of salaries in his first year and none of the players they cut were picked up by other teams? I believe he also said there were no players left on Offense from his first year, but that can't be right. Fred Davis, Santana Moss and Chris Cooley come to mind.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Did Shanny say they shed $100mil worth of salaries in his first year and none of the players they cut were picked up by other teams? I believe he also said there were no players left on Offense from his first year, but that can't be right. Fred Davis, Santana Moss and Chris Cooley come to mind.

Our best targets on offense, Davis and Tana, were inherited. We can hope all we want for Garcon, but nothing about his stats indicates he'll be a more productive receiver than Moss.

That said, I'm not dumping on our WR corp or downfield targets. I was pessimistic about this group before the season because we don't have a dominant (big) WR or a true burner. But we have plenty of talent to compete. WR talent, in fact offensive talent in general (Polumbus being the exception) is solid IMO.

[jdc65]

I don't think the players have mailed it in, but I do believe the players have lost confidence in the coaching staff. What I think happens is that in the beginning, everyone buys in to what a new regime is preaching, and plays their assignments to the best of their ability. But after repeated failure, they lose confidence in the system they are running, and play for themselves more than anything.

They are still giving 100%, but looking to make plays for themselves than for the team. It's a complete breakdown because football is such a team game. Once confidence is lost in the coaches or the schemes, it's over.

[HailGreen28]

I'm just repeating what someone else said. We need to fire our disfunctional fanbase.

Impulsive, heat-of-the-moment, keep this team going from one HC to another, Dan Snyder has plenty of supporters here. This is a surprise to me.

The Giants would have never won their last superbowl if similar minded NY fans had their way halfway through last season.

[Meks]

giants would have never won without eli and a properly built D-Line .....

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Meks

giants would have never won without eli and a properly built D-Line .....

You know what I mean. NY fans were calling for Coughlin's head halfway through last season. And in '07 as I recall.

I'm not saying we're making the playoffs. Those two "5 in a row or we don't go" runs were special. But we still look just as stupid now as Giants fans did last year.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

You know what I mean. NY fans were calling for Coughlin's head halfway through last season. And in '07 as I recall.

I'm not saying we're making the playoffs. Those two "5 in a row or we don't go" runs were special. But we still look just as stupid now as Giants fans did last year.

You're joking right? at the midway point in 2007, the Giants had gone 25-23 in Coughlin's first three seasons and had made the playoffs two years in a row. Comparing the point the Redskins are at now with them is imbecilic. Oh and the giants went on to win the Superbowl that year -- does it seem like we are just getting ready for a Superbowl run?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

You're joking right? at the midway point in 2007, the Giants had gone 25-23 in Coughlin's first three seasons and had made the playoffs two years in a row. Comparing the point the Redskins are at now with them is imbecilic. Oh and the giants went on to win the Superbowl that year -- does it seem like we are just getting ready for a Superbowl run?

Jee, I was comparing the fanbases. Not the teams. The same idiotic knee jerk reaction by both fanbases.

Even though circumstances do prove the Giants fans are stupider. (big surprise there, lol). What's imbecilic is under an ownership constantly turning over our coaching staff (except one occasion when a legend came back), fans here want to start up the coaching carousel again.

If the Giants owner had listened to the same screaming from NJ fans in '07 and '11, they wouldn't have won those superbowls. That's all I'm saying.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I'm just repeating what someone else said. We need to fire our disfunctional fanbase.

Impulsive, heat-of-the-moment, keep this team going from one HC to another, Dan Snyder has plenty of supporters here. This is a surprise to me.

The Giants would have never won their last superbowl if similar minded NY fans had their way halfway through last season.

Teams lose - fans bitch. Teams win - fans stop bitching. Were no different than anyother fanbase.
If Shanny wins a superbowl we will all eat crow ok. I wouldnt hold my breath though.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

You know what I mean. NY fans were calling for Coughlin's head halfway through last season. And in '07 as I recall.

I'm not saying we're making the playoffs. Those two "5 in a row or we don't go" runs were special. But we still look just as stupid now as Giants fans did last year.

No we dont. We dont look stupid at all. To compare them to us is wAy off base. Those fans were booing a team that had recently won a superbowl and was in a heated battle to win the division and go back to the playoffs. Were booing a team that has been (for the most part) atrocious for 20 years.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No we dont. We dont look stupid at all. To compare them to us is wAy off base. Those fans were booing a team that had recently won a superbowl and was in a heated battle to win the division and go back to the playoffs. Were booing a team that has been (for the most part) atrocious for 20 years.

...and especially atrocious over the last three years. Wins and losses tell the real story.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Teams lose - fans bitch. Teams win - fans stop bitching. Were no different than anyother fanbase.
If Shanny wins a superbowl we will all eat crow ok. I wouldnt hold my breath though.

Lol. All true.

Originally Posted by punch it in

No we dont. We dont look stupid at all. To compare them to us is wAy off base. Those fans were booing a team that had recently won a superbowl and was in a heated battle to win the division and go back to the playoffs. Were booing a team that has been (for the most part) atrocious for 20 years.

It's the same knee jerk reaction on this fanbase's part. What happened to all our talk of "patience" and that Shanny would get his 5 years? Are fans thinking we just say those things and still get instant gratification in two and a half seasons?