Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.

What he said🔝

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Lotus

In the trash. It's bad luck.

O now Lotus, FEDEX FIELD is bad luck!

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by donofriose

First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.

That is so bad. UGH

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.

What are you talking about? He gets to run option plays, go out for passes to get decapitated and QB sweeps w/out the option to pass! This is really preparing to become the next Aaron Rodgers!

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by donofriose

First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half and has 5 more wins than Shanahan)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.

Ok.....I'm even more sold than I was yesterday.
Shanahan and his entourage need to go at the end of the season.

[skinsfaninok]

Here's the thing, Jason Garrett is on the hotseat in Dallas and he has been there pretty much the same length as Mike. Garrett has a better record but because WINNING is just the way it is on Dallas he's about to get fired, u know say what u want about Jerry but he does not accept losing, yeah he hasn't had great teams lately but he has won 3 superbowls and they did go 13-3 a few years back. When is the last time a redskins team won 13 games?? What 1991? Losing has become acceptable in DC and that's why most don't want Mike fired because fans just assume the next guy will be a loser as well. It's sad really.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Here's the thing, Jason Garrett is on the hotseat in Dallas and he has been there pretty much the same length as Mike. Garrett has a better record but because WINNING is just the way it is on Dallas he's about to get fired, u know say what u want about Jerry but he does not accept losing, yeah he hasn't had great teams lately but he has won 3 superbowls and they did go 13-3 a few years back. When is the last time a redskins team won 13 games?? What 1991? Losing has become acceptable in DC and that's why most don't want Mike fired because fans just assume the next guy will be a loser as well. It's sad really.

I agree. A lot of the other organizations in the NFL don't tolerate losing at all. Coughlin almost lost his job year because the Giants only accept winning. We honestly are trying to be mediocre again. Not terrible, not great, but our fanbase things if we become average we might as well won the superbowl.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

No, hiring decisions by Snyder (outside of Gibbs 2.0) are the reason we are where we are. Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?

Since you referenced Gibbs 2.0 I will rail once again about how his return to the Redskins set this franchise back 5+ years and we are now suffering from some of the blunderous moves in his era. Let's start with the trading of draft picks for Mark Brunell, then not re-signing Fred Smoot causing a need at CB (which was filled with drafting Rogers rather than drafting Demarcus Ware), then making a pre-draft trade for Denver's first round pick in expectation that their pre determined QB of the future would be there at 25 rather than wait until the day of the draft where they likely would have been able to trade into the 1st round to draft Aaron Rodgers instead of Campbell who went one pick later. TJ Duckett anyone? How about the fact that over a 4 year span he drafted 21 players? How about over those 21 draft picks only 6 were in the first 3 rounds? Not to mention when he left, it was an old, expensive team built for a 2007 playoff run. Vinny further screwed the team with awful 2008 and 2009 drafts that yielded 3 players still on the roster.

The point of this isn't to 'blame' the past but in response to 'why can't this team turn things around like others'? Why do the Pats, Steelers and Giants reload rather than rebuild? Because they have a consistent program, a foundation to build from. The Pats have a consistent program that's been in place for over a decade. The Steelers have had consistency in their philosophy since the 90's. The Giants are on the third generation of their philosophy from George Young, who taught Ernie Acorsi who taught Jerry Reese. We haven't had that, not even close.

The 49ers had a ton of early first round picks that finally came together last year under Harbaugh, that's how they came together. The Colts this year, while surprising were a playoff team 2 years ago and were awful because they had no QB. Tampa and the Vikings (2 of our wins coincidentally) are inconsistent because they are still learning to win as well.

It may not seem like it after the past 2 games but our future is bright. We have 3 foundation pieces in place (QB, LT, RB) with potentially a pass rushing duo that when healthy can be very productive. As Schefter said last week, is there another team in the division with a more promising future than us? Why derail it by throwing out the system and starting all over again, again!?!

[HailGreen28]

Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.

edit: Whatever happened to "doing it the right way" and "5 years" and "patience" and "Snyder meddling" and "coaching carousel" and "we've changed"? Did we think we just say those things and we still get instant gratification? OK, that's all I wanted to add.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.

In one season and half Harbaugh has 5 more wins than Mike's two season and half. In what way has this team improved? We were always competitive but so is every team in the NFL. He has done nothing to prove that he deserves to be here.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I feel it's better to keep Mike Shanahan as the HC. Let him continue rebuilding this team. Let him remain until his 5 year contract is up and if the Redskins still haven't shown overall improvement by then, just don't re-sign him. It's a trying situation because I don't want to see a coach fired and then have RG3 go through the exact same BS that Jason Campbell went through with having to learn a new playbook every year. Let Mike Shanahan continue to do what he does.

Last year the defense was the Redskins strength and the offense was average. This year the offense is TOP GUN and the defense smells awfully bad and is holding the team back. At what point do you have a season in which both the offense and the defense are top 10 and the Redskins are consistent winners week in and week out because of it? It's a really trying situation.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

Do you even like the Redskins?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

In one season and half Harbaugh has 5 more wins than Mike's two season and half. In what way has this team improved? We were always competitive but so is every team in the NFL. He has done nothing to prove that he deserves to be here.

Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.

I agree with this post other then saying he was doomed from the start.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.

edit: Whatever happened to "doing it the right way" and "5 years" and "patience" and "Snyder meddling" and "coaching carousel" and "we've changed"? Did we think we just say those things and we still get instant gratification? OK, that's all I wanted to add.

Some of us are paying close(r) attention to what transpires