Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

[mehtadman87]

i think we should low ball him, we need to start making smart contract deals, give him less guarnateed and more incentives. give him a $2 mil bonus for not getting burned like he always does. That would be money well spent. We all know danny got money but to give out high guarenteed contract to a dude who is known to slack is just stupid

[warriorzpath]

I think the redskins and hall can meet halfway if both are really seriously interested in having hall being a redskin and if these really are the proposed numbers - I say somewhere around $14m.

Hall is a very good cover corner with underrated skills; he's not a shutdown corner, but who is nowadays? Plus he provides some threat to opposing qbs in his ability to snatch interceptions and return skills. That's something that the redskins lack in the secondary.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Hall was OUTSTANDING during his 4 years in Atlanta.
DeAngelo Hall
He was also selected to the pro-bowl in 2005. If anything, his career shows that he was horribly misused in Oakland, a place where almost no players excel (remember how bad Randy Moss was there?). To say that the real Hall is just the "average" of his performance with two different teams in 2008 is to ignore the entire body of work in his 5 year NFL career.

In addition to being an excellent starting corner in this league, Hall is also durable. He has only missed 2 games in the past 4 years - one was in 2005 and the other was this year, as he was transitioning between two teams. He came to our team and picked up the defense very quickly. By the end of the season, he was our #1 CB and arguably playing better than any redskins cornerback since champ bailey.

I understand that you aren't ga-ga over Hall, but don't sell him short, either. If we extend him, we're not "taking a chance" on a guy whos play has been haphazard. Aside from half a season in Oakland, he's had a stellar career. If resigned here, we have every reason to expect him to be the best, most consistent, most durable cornerback we've had in years. When you have Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, and Carlos Rogers on your roster, you can count on them either playing poorly in several games or missing large chunks of the season entirely due to injuries. With Hall, you can bank on having him start and play at a high level for every game for the duration of his contract. That "safety" is worth paying a little extra for, dont you think?

I'm not trying to sell him short, but I also can't act like he wasn't heavily overrated in Atlanta.

One thing that he DID do well in Atlanta was improve a little bit each year he was there. But I mean, at no point in Atlanta did he ever look like he would be a shutdown corner. That much is clear.

I can say some nice things about the guy. He IS improving as a player on a yearly basis. He does have fantastic ball skills. He was deserving of a starting spot on this team based on his play alone.

But my opinions on Hall aren't ignoring his time in Atlanta. Actually, it's quite the opposite. He was going to pro bowls in Atlanta well before he could actually cover any teams' number one receiver.

This isn't a new opinion I've had because of the Oakland days, here's me from 12-04-07:

http://www.thewarpath.net/388701-post22.html

(I also found this which has nothing to do with D Hall)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm glad to see Vinny being careful with these negotiations. The Redskins have had many cap issues over the past years and have had a history of overpaying players and getting into huge contracts that financially cripple the team. I'm sure the Vinny haters are going to pounce if we do not get Hall (even though they are probably the same ones that complain about the huge signings and free agent spending). I do hope and I think we're going to get Hall signed.

I think if Hall takes a hometown discount, it would show that his attitude has changed. I mean Sean Taylor was not a model citizen, but he changed his ways. Let's hope the same thing is happening to Hall. Also, re-signing him to a reasonable price would help us in acquiring other players that are needed to fill the needs that the team has.

IMO Halls previous issues had more to do with his youth, than anything else. They guy was a very young 20 years old when he was drafted.... and its not like the Atlanta had ANY older mature, responsible players to take him under thier wings and help him mature. The "role model" figure on that team (and, according to Wilbon, black youths everywhere, not just in the NFL) was michael vick. And we all know what a horrible role model he turned out to be.

Hall saw how his role model paid the consequences for his actions. Unless he's an idiot, he learned alot from that. He's learned first hand how signing a huge contract doesnt bring him happiness, as he was miserable in Oakland. Now, he's come back home and has played half a season for the team who he grew up rooting for. He's benefitted from playing with some mature veteran players. He's specifically said how much he looks up to London Fletcher - a leader and a class act if there ever was one.

As far as i'm concerned, Hall has demonstrated that his reckless off the field issues are behind him... and even if they arent completely, he's certainly made great strides and if he's here, he'll benefit greatly from the older guys here. He's certainly worth 14-16M garaunteed over 6 years. Based on the facts at hand, this is a low risk, high reward situation for us. We just need to make sure we don't create any ill-will towards him by refusing to meet him in the middle with his contract request.

[GTripp0012]

I suppose the problem isn't that he's got a poor work ethic, because he's clearly getting better with experience, but that he's just lacking a few skills that all elite corners have: route recognition, the ability to close on a dime, and stuff like that. He's certainly a good player, Oakland days aside, but he's also a known quantity at this point, and he's not known as a special, elite player.

I won't use the word average around him, because he does do some skills exceptionally well. But he also has glaring weaknesses that we can't ignore since NFL QBs don't.

[Son Of Man]

With Shawn "Sprain" (who needs to be traded or released), Smoot (who is a real redskin but aging), Carlos Rogers (who pretty much got benched in the second half of the season), and JT Tryon (no comment necessary) as the CB's on our roster. Signing Hall would be a prudent decision. However, all business deals start with a low offer then a gradual increase to a final number which offers one party a fair payscale and the other a vaule for price paid. I believe they'll get the deal done.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm glad to see Vinny being careful with these negotiations. The Redskins have had many cap issues over the past years and have had a history of overpaying players and getting into huge contracts that financially cripple the team. I'm sure the Vinny haters are going to pounce if we do not get Hall (even though they are probably the same ones that complain about the huge signings and free agent spending). I do hope and I think we're going to get Hall signed.

I think if Hall takes a hometown discount, it would show that his attitude has changed. I mean Sean Taylor was not a model citizen, but he changed his ways. Let's hope the same thing is happening to Hall. Also, re-signing him to a reasonable price would help us in acquiring other players that are needed to fill the needs that the team has.

I think this is a realistic point of view Ruhskins. I don't think he needs to sign for a discount. I just think there needs to be a well balanced agreement. One that doesn't insult Hall and at the same time keep our $ in order. Dont fool yourself. I garantee other teams would take him quick. And next season we can be talking about why did VC let him go.

[A10sROCK]

Hall will be signed and will probably be the biggest Redskin signing this off-season. Those that say he should be signed "at any price" ignore the economics of the cap and the NFL. This team is way too heavy with old, expensive vets to keep ignoring the fact that they tend ot overpay for players.

We need Hall and and will resign him. However the team must also make decisions on several defensive players who simply cost too much: Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs and cornelius Griffin.

People on these boards always want to keep the veterans that they know - but eventually these guys cost too much for their production.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I suppose the problem isn't that he's got a poor work ethic, because he's clearly getting better with experience, but that he's just lacking a few skills that all elite corners have: route recognition, the ability to close on a dime, and stuff like that. He's certainly a good player, Oakland days aside, but he's also a known quantity at this point, and he's not known as a special, elite player.

I won't use the word average around him, because he does do some skills exceptionally well. But he also has glaring weaknesses that we can't ignore since NFL QBs don't.

Hall has all the athletic ability. Of the couple things you mention; he can close on a dime & has tremendous speed. The first is spot on IMO; "route recognition." That typically comes from study, knowing tendencies of teams & wr's. Hall ain't into that. It was the same way when he was in college. I remember a friend of mine calling him underated after we left a VT game in which he got burnt. Word from insiders was that he was a problem for coaches & players. He was widely regarded as one of the reasons the 03 Hokies went from top 5 to losing a bowl to Cal & giving up 52 points, just because of the divisiness he created on the team. Seems those ways came w/him to the nfl. Has he learned? I don't know, if he gets paid he'll likely continue his ways & play undisciplined at a position that requires great discipline.

He was a top 10 draft pick due to his athletic ability & potential, not his actual performance. He could be a true shut down cb, but that would require some work in practice, which he's never believed he needs.

[Monkeydad]

I wish people would stop taking pft.com rumors are truth.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Buster

I wish people would stop taking pft.com rumors are truth.

Lawyers, coaches and players use this venue to argue their cause or issue. Truth is relative, as any story gets printed.

Personally, I see Hall being hired as both sides want it and his value is whatever someone will pay for him.

Ppl here are complaining about X dollars for Hall when we are paying Springs about a $1 mill a game, or about $2 mill for each Jason Taylor sack. Both of those guys had less games last season together than Hall played.

[vallin21]

There is no doubting Hall's talent. I think there is a reason why teams stopped targeting Hall late in the season, and in my opinion Hall is worth every cent of 16 million (or whatever amount Synder gives him). I'm with Ruhskins on how Hall is portrayed by some of you guystalk about his "bad character". GIVE IT A REST He had a coach who quit in the middle of the seson and yapped on ESPN. WHO Gives A F... I mean we had ST (allegedly) pulling guns on people nice guy but he was somewhat shady. BUT he matured and changed and so will Hall.

Point is I expect for him to Re-sign and have a pro bowl year

[PWNED]

[SmootSmack]

He's baaaaack! About to hit 1,000!

[PWNED]

being the draft expert that i am, i thought its about tiem that i get back to it.

ill have my mock draft posted soemtime real soon. i think youll be in for some pleasant surprises and a few shockers.