Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm glad to see Vinny being careful with these negotiations. The Redskins have had many cap issues over the past years and have had a history of overpaying players and getting into huge contracts that financially cripple the team. I'm sure the Vinny haters are going to pounce if we do not get Hall (even though they are probably the same ones that complain about the huge signings and free agent spending). I do hope and I think we're going to get Hall signed.

I think if Hall takes a hometown discount, it would show that his attitude has changed. I mean Sean Taylor was not a model citizen, but he changed his ways. Let's hope the same thing is happening to Hall. Also, re-signing him to a reasonable price would help us in acquiring other players that are needed to fill the needs that the team has.

I think this is a realistic point of view Ruhskins. I don't think he needs to sign for a discount. I just think there needs to be a well balanced agreement. One that doesn't insult Hall and at the same time keep our $ in order. Dont fool yourself. I garantee other teams would take him quick. And next season we can be talking about why did VC let him go.

[KLHJ2]

My opinion (not that anybody cares) is that we obviouslly need to keep the guy. I do not know about that "at any cost" thing, but we almost cannot afford to lose him without picking up another CB else where.

Shawn Springs (as many have already pointed out) is past his prime and often injured. Many believe that he is the best corner on our team. Based on what exactly? Oh, congrats he locked down T.O. until he had to leave the game with an injury. Then Carlos picked up his slack. He is not worth his paycheck.

Carlos Rogers is (IMO) the best corner on the squad. He is even keel. He will defense any teams best reciever week in and week out. He will not get the intercecptios, but he rarely allows the big play either. The FO and others on this site should be ashamed for considering letting him go for draft picks. In reality you would not get more than 2 picks for the guy, and you would have to use one of them to attempt to replace him. It's not worth it.

Fred Smoot...I have a soft spot for Smoot, I really do. The reality is however that he is not the CB he used to be. The only reason that he should stay is because of depth and experience. I would hate to think what would happen if there wasn't a Fred Smoot to play in front of a Justin Tryon. Smoot may give up some plays at times but he unlike Springs can actually take the field most of the time. He can also be valuable to the team in terms of helping the younger guys out. He doesn't fly off to Texas in the middle of the week.

Justin Tryon...do not get me started. He has alot to learn and his youth alone gives him another shot at the squad in the offseason.

So as you can see if we do not keep Hall we are going to be in a world of hurt at the CB position. Especially if we trade Rogers. Everybody saw what our defense was like in the 4th quarter this past season...giving up big plays and not getting off of the field. We already have a suspect D line. If we compound that with a weaker secondary, then our defense will really be frustrating to watch when the game is on the line.

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by Angry

My opinion (not that anybody cares) is that we obviouslly need to keep the guy. I do not know about that "at any cost" thing, but we almost cannot afford to lose him without picking up another CB else where.

Shawn Springs (as many have already pointed out) is past his prime and often injured. Many believe that he is the best corner on our team. Based on what exactly? Oh, congrats he locked down T.O. until he had to leave the game with an injury. Then Carlos picked up his slack. He is not worth his paycheck.

Carlos Rogers is (IMO) the best corner on the squad. He is even keel. He will defense any teams best reciever week in and week out. He will not get the intercecptios, but he rarely allows the big play either. The FO and others on this site should be ashamed for considering letting him go for draft picks. In reality you would not get more than 2 picks for the guy, and you would have to use one of them to attempt to replace him. It's not worth it.

Fred Smoot...I have a soft spot for Smoot, I really do. The reality is however that he is not the CB he used to be. The only reason that he should stay is because of depth and experience. I would hate to think what would happen if there wasn't a Fred Smoot to play in front of a Justin Tryon. Smoot may give up some plays at times but he unlike Springs can actually take the field most of the time. He can also be valuable to the team in terms of helping the younger guys out. He doesn't fly off to Texas in the middle of the week.

Justin Tryon...do not get me started. He has alot to learn and his youth alone gives him another shot at the squad in the offseason.

So as you can see if we do not keep Hall we are going to be in a world of hurt at the CB position. Especially if we trade Rogers. Everybody saw what our defense was like in the 4th quarter this past season...giving up big plays and not getting off of the field. We already have a suspect D line. If we compound that with a weaker secondary, then our defense will really be frustrating to watch when the game is on the line.

Agree with the whole thing. Haha just supporting someone not supporting ignorance. A lot of people say they hate Cerratto and then support decisions that only Vinny Cerratto would continue to make at this point. Thats the problem with him, he's like a fan running a team, he just wants big names and doesn't know how to build. but reallly good post.

[mehtadman87]

i think we should low ball him, we need to start making smart contract deals, give him less guarnateed and more incentives. give him a $2 mil bonus for not getting burned like he always does. That would be money well spent. We all know danny got money but to give out high guarenteed contract to a dude who is known to slack is just stupid

[44ever]

Originally Posted by mehtadman87

i think we should low ball him, we need to start making smart contract deals, give him less guarnateed and more incentives. give him a $2 mil bonus for not getting burned like he always does. That would be money well spent. We all know danny got money but to give out high guarenteed contract to a dude who is known to slack is just stupid

where do you get this stuff about slacking. Have you acually followed his carrier? The guy is a great talent and will only get better. Stop believing the rumors. He's for real.

Funny how we wish we had this guy or that guy but when we get a chance at something good we won't see it. This guy goes somewhere else we will regret it.

[warriorzpath]

I think the redskins and hall can meet halfway if both are really seriously interested in having hall being a redskin and if these really are the proposed numbers - I say somewhere around $14m.

Hall is a very good cover corner with underrated skills; he's not a shutdown corner, but who is nowadays? Plus he provides some threat to opposing qbs in his ability to snatch interceptions and return skills. That's something that the redskins lack in the secondary.

[GTripp0012]

I suppose the problem isn't that he's got a poor work ethic, because he's clearly getting better with experience, but that he's just lacking a few skills that all elite corners have: route recognition, the ability to close on a dime, and stuff like that. He's certainly a good player, Oakland days aside, but he's also a known quantity at this point, and he's not known as a special, elite player.

I won't use the word average around him, because he does do some skills exceptionally well. But he also has glaring weaknesses that we can't ignore since NFL QBs don't.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I suppose the problem isn't that he's got a poor work ethic, because he's clearly getting better with experience, but that he's just lacking a few skills that all elite corners have: route recognition, the ability to close on a dime, and stuff like that. He's certainly a good player, Oakland days aside, but he's also a known quantity at this point, and he's not known as a special, elite player.

I won't use the word average around him, because he does do some skills exceptionally well. But he also has glaring weaknesses that we can't ignore since NFL QBs don't.

Hall has all the athletic ability. Of the couple things you mention; he can close on a dime & has tremendous speed. The first is spot on IMO; "route recognition." That typically comes from study, knowing tendencies of teams & wr's. Hall ain't into that. It was the same way when he was in college. I remember a friend of mine calling him underated after we left a VT game in which he got burnt. Word from insiders was that he was a problem for coaches & players. He was widely regarded as one of the reasons the 03 Hokies went from top 5 to losing a bowl to Cal & giving up 52 points, just because of the divisiness he created on the team. Seems those ways came w/him to the nfl. Has he learned? I don't know, if he gets paid he'll likely continue his ways & play undisciplined at a position that requires great discipline.

He was a top 10 draft pick due to his athletic ability & potential, not his actual performance. He could be a true shut down cb, but that would require some work in practice, which he's never believed he needs.

[Son Of Man]

With Shawn "Sprain" (who needs to be traded or released), Smoot (who is a real redskin but aging), Carlos Rogers (who pretty much got benched in the second half of the season), and JT Tryon (no comment necessary) as the CB's on our roster. Signing Hall would be a prudent decision. However, all business deals start with a low offer then a gradual increase to a final number which offers one party a fair payscale and the other a vaule for price paid. I believe they'll get the deal done.

[A10sROCK]

Hall will be signed and will probably be the biggest Redskin signing this off-season. Those that say he should be signed "at any price" ignore the economics of the cap and the NFL. This team is way too heavy with old, expensive vets to keep ignoring the fact that they tend ot overpay for players.

We need Hall and and will resign him. However the team must also make decisions on several defensive players who simply cost too much: Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs and cornelius Griffin.

People on these boards always want to keep the veterans that they know - but eventually these guys cost too much for their production.

[Monkeydad]

I wish people would stop taking pft.com rumors are truth.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Buster

I wish people would stop taking pft.com rumors are truth.

Lawyers, coaches and players use this venue to argue their cause or issue. Truth is relative, as any story gets printed.

Personally, I see Hall being hired as both sides want it and his value is whatever someone will pay for him.

Ppl here are complaining about X dollars for Hall when we are paying Springs about a $1 mill a game, or about $2 mill for each Jason Taylor sack. Both of those guys had less games last season together than Hall played.

[vallin21]

There is no doubting Hall's talent. I think there is a reason why teams stopped targeting Hall late in the season, and in my opinion Hall is worth every cent of 16 million (or whatever amount Synder gives him). I'm with Ruhskins on how Hall is portrayed by some of you guystalk about his "bad character". GIVE IT A REST He had a coach who quit in the middle of the seson and yapped on ESPN. WHO Gives A F... I mean we had ST (allegedly) pulling guns on people nice guy but he was somewhat shady. BUT he matured and changed and so will Hall.

Point is I expect for him to Re-sign and have a pro bowl year

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[SmootSmack]

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