How far can Beck take us?

[skinsnut]

how far can Beck take us?
Probably at least to the McDonalds drive thru.
Anything else is gravy.
Expecting any more than a 6-10 season with this squad and him leading is crazy.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Brody81

And you know from all of your NFL experience!! Give me a break dude! Kolb has played in 2 more games than Beck. You like Kolb because the NFL network, and other so called experts have jumped on the Kolb bandwagon. Aren't you tired of the big name free agents? Do you know better than MS? Maybe DS should have hired you to lead the Redskins with all of your experience. Why am i wasting my time????

Yo, Chill the eff out bro. All I said is that there is strong indicators for there to be reason for redskins fans to not be sold on beck. Even if you have a different view, if you don't understand why redskins fans are nervous or pessimistic about beck, then your just an idiot. Of course anything can happen, Beck could be great, but the indicators say probably not.
And for the record, I don't like kolb at all. I just understand why he is highly more desired than beck, which is what I tried to iterate in the last post.

[skinsnut]

Regarding Kolb...he can't be that good, the eagles traded him for a steal....they have a tendancy to do that with average QB's

I wish we got value like that....pisses me off frankly

[skinsnut]

Oh yeah...you guy remember another head coach favorite QB that no one else in the NFL thought could succeed...Danny Wuerfull?

Not saying Beck is that bad...but....arrogance blinds and Skins fans sometimes suffer....I sure wish our coach were more objective and humble.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinster

Yo, Chill the eff out bro. All I said is that there is strong indicators for there to be reason for redskins fans to not be sold on beck. Even if you have a different view, if you don't understand why redskins fans are nervous or pessimistic about beck, then your just an idiot. Of course anything can happen, Beck could be great, but the indicators say probably not.
And for the record, I don't like kolb at all. I just understand why he is highly more desired than beck, which is what I tried to iterate in the last post.

but the indicators say probably not?? Your scouting indicators? You must of received your indicators from your kickball captain.

[GusFrerotte]

I am willing to let Beck have his shot, but come on now guys. The guy has been shuffled around so much in his short NFL career that only the delusional aren't going to be rather skeptical about the guy. If this guy couldn't get the starting job down in Miami, what makes you think he all of a sudden is going to become a stud for us? In fact, when has a drafted QB dud ever turn around his career and become a stud? Remember Gus Frerotte and Patrick Ramsey? The Gator twins that came with the Ole Ball Coach? JC? JC is the only one of the aforementioned guys that has a shot at redemption, but probably won't be a stud. History is not on the side of John Beck,and I would not put any money on him being a stud for us either. He is a backup for the newbie that will be drafted in 2012. And if the Skins were to get a little bold and take two Qbs, he might not be on the team.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Brody81

but the indicators say probably not?? Your scouting indicators? You must of received your indicators from your kickball captain.

I'm like 90% sure your joking cause nobody is that dumb that they can't see that fans being worried about a journeyman 3rd stringer suddenly becoming a starter is a reasonable concern. If your not, I dub thee, sir Brody, the biggest moron on this site.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinster

I'm like 90% sure your joking cause nobody is that dumb that they can't see that fans being worried about a journeyman 3rd stringer suddenly becoming a starter is a reasonable concern. If your not, I dub thee, sir Brody, the biggest moron on this site.

skinster: the only moron is someone who passes judgement about someone without proof or evidence. We know nothing about Beck. Yes, he could suck, but he at least deserves a chance to succeed before we claim him a failure. I know your probably really good on your kickball team, and you think you know talent, but hold off on passing judgment until you have some evidence.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Regarding Kolb...he can't be that good, the eagles traded him for a steal....they have a tendancy to do that with average QB's

I wish we got value like that....pisses me off frankly

Are you really comparing Spurrier to Shanahan?

[mooby]

Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?

[Kope]

Beck, like anyone else, should get a fair and neutral evaluation when he is on the field. There are numerous examples of late blooming QBs who moved around, got cut etc, until they found a situation that fit them.

Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head (there are many more). I am defining good as - can be a part of a team that wins games....not stats alone.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Kope

Beck, like anyone else, should get a fair and neutral evaluation when he is on the field. There are numerous examples of late blooming QBs who moved around, got cut etc, until they found a situation that fit them.

Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head (there are many more). I am defining good as - can be a part of a team that wins games....not stats alone.

I agree that Beck deserves aa shot, but history is not on his side. Dilfer sucked, but was on a TB team with a defense that could carry a team. Gannon was good for only for a relatively short time in my book. Warner was hot for what 4 seasons til the Rams ran out of gas?

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Brody81

skinster: the only moron is someone who passes judgement about someone without proof or evidence. We know nothing about Beck. Yes, he could suck, but he at least deserves a chance to succeed before we claim him a failure. I know your probably really good on your kickball team, and you think you know talent, but hold off on passing judgment until you have some evidence.

Lol, you didn't actually read any of my posts you responded to did you? I made it pretty clear that he could possibly be good, we don't know because he hasn't shown us that he can't (pretty much what you just said), but I was trying to get you to lay off people who are pessimistic about him. It is reasonable for fans to be worried about a 3rd string qb journeyman taking the reigns. I'm one of those fans who doesn't think Beck will be our answer, but I still am waiting to see, and not completely writing him off until he proves to me otherwise.

I'm not pretending to be a scout, so stop with the kickball references. And since Beck has shown nothing in the NFL, please don't tell me you see the good in him. The only data we have on beck is that he is a journeyman 3rd stringer, which does not inspire confidence in him. It is ignorant to ignore what we know about him, as well as the trends and statistics that go along with the this knowledge. Hopefully he is an outlier, but we can only find that out once he plays.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

How many SBs did Elway loose before he won two? They were only champions when they were together...however, Shanahan still was in the playoffs a bunch.