Portis Overrated?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Stats + intangibles. Moss and Patten are Gibbs guys through and through but he doesn't expect everyone to care about that so he'll focus on the stats to the press. else again, we'd have T.O. infecting our team.

Like I was saying though, you can't say that TO isn't a great reciever. He's not a good teammate, but he's a very good reciever.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I've said a few times in this thread that there are other things that make a player great and other things that I respect. However, truly great players have great stats. Monk has great stats, just the HOF voters are dicks.

I love players like Lorenzo Neal because he's one of the ultimate "team" guys. However, you can't honestly tell me that you don't use stats to judge greatness.

greatness is very relative. stats are just a part of that.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Like I was saying though, you can't say that TO isn't a great reciever. He's not a good teammate, but he's a very good reciever.

excellent receiver. terrible PLAYER.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

greatness is very relative. stats are just a part of that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I do agree with that statement to an extent, but history doesn't show that. To cross sports, Bobby Jones is recognized as one of the greatest golfers, but he was a racist. Same with Ty Cobb. It's difficult to say that greatness is relative because history doesn't always support your arguement.

What Terrell Owens does on the football field is great. He's one of very few recievers EVER with 100 TD catches. He's a very good reciever.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by illdefined

excellent receiver. terrible PLAYER.

I would agree with that.

[onlydarksets]

If you had told me this morning that this thread had enough legs to last 10 pages, I would have said you were crazy. I stand corrected.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Stats + intangibles. Moss and Patten are Gibbs guys through and through but he doesn't expect everyone to care about that so he'll focus on the stats to the press. else again, we'd have T.O. infecting our team.

the first thing that caught gibbs attention was the YPC stat from both moss and patten that is the reason gibbs pursued them in the first place, now of course gibbs would not have gone after a player like owens because it is so well documented that owens is an asshole. if you think gibbs doesn't factor in a players stats when deciding whether or not to go after them then you are naive(sp).

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

If you had told me this morning that this thread had enough legs to last 10 pages, I would have said you were crazy. I stand corrected.

it's because we've switched from discussing portis to discussing stats.

[EternalEnigma21]

I love that smiley... he sticks his tounge out after there's poop on his face lol.

[illdefined]

you just rephrased what I said right there - stats & intangibles. T0 being an asshole is intangible. Moss, Patten and Portis's work ethic are too. and that speaks more to Gibbs than whatever edge others may have in stats.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I love that smiley... he sticks his tounge out after there's poop on his face lol.

he actually wipes the poop on to his tongue. :vomit:

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you just rephrased what I said right there - stats & intangibles. T0 being an asshole is intangible. Moss, Patten and Portis's work ethic are too. and that speaks more to Gibbs than whatever edge others may have in stats.

i think you and i are basically saying the same thing except i believe coaches look at a players stats moreso than you . a players stats show his production on the field and coaches want players that produce but most coaches, especially gibbs, will not sign a player solely on that players stats. good stats and a good team player attitude must go hand in hand for coach gibbs.

[sniks]

If the redskins were 9-3 and leading the division (3 close losses) would we be having this discussion?I highly doubt it!!!! He is not overrated.I believe he is a complete back run,catch,and block.Do whatever the team asks.Most other top backs are lacking in one of those categories.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i think you and i are basically saying the same thing except i believe coaches look at a players stats moreso than you . a players stats show his production on the field and coaches want players that produce but most coaches, especially gibbs, will not sign a player solely on that players stats. good stats and a good team player attitude must go hand in hand for coach gibbs.

no you're right, just explaining why judging Portis solely by the numbers in his (already very productive) stats and salary alone is vastly UNDERrating him

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by steveo395

tatum bell was a second round pick too and he doesn't even compare to portis

not only is portis easily the better runner, he's a good receiver and one of the best blockers in the league

My guess from your stupid ass coments is that Tatum Bell is not a system back. Also Champ seem to be a system CB as he is regulary burnt on the bomb.

Your views are way off. What you are saying to all of us is that we never complain about our team. My suggestion to you before you spew off false facts is go check the 10,000 + post on this site and come back and chat.