Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Then I'm a moron because I give him give full years.

Two years is a long time. At this point next year were 3-5 are you sticking to that?


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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Two years is a long time. At this point next year were 3-5 are you sticking to that?

Well, if anyone has remained hardheaded that long, they're probably just going to stick it out.

[Evilgrin]

Shanahan told Hankerson to drop all those passes today FYI!

[CultBrennan59]

Shanahan deserves time now that he has RG3, you can't just give up on him after he gets a rookie QB; plus it hurts our rookies progression. Shanahan is smart by buying himself some time by drafting RG3. If shanahan doesn't help this team in terms of wins next year, he'll definitely be a fired candidate. But I believe, and I hope Snyder has learned (plus Snyder went to great lengths to get Mike to coach this team) that you need to give a coach time to get his team together. Now that Mike has his QB, his time is starting now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Shanahan deserves time now that he has RG3, you can't just give up on him after he gets a rookie QB; plus it hurts our rookies progression. Shanahan is smart by buying himself some time by drafting RG3. If shanahan doesn't help this team in terms of wins next year, he'll definitely be a fired candidate. But I believe, and I hope Snyder has learned (plus Snyder went to great lengths to get Mike to coach this team) that you need to give a coach time to get his team together. Now that Mike has his QB, his time is starting now.

I agee. He needs at least one more year.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Shanahan told Hankerson to drop all those passes today FYI!

No but he drafted him.


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[Evilgrin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No but he drafted him.


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Lol, do you wanna go there with who else he has drafted?

[SolidSnake84]

The Joe Gibbs comparisons are not fair, in my opinion. Joe Gibbs is a redskins legendary coach and of course they were going to let Joe Gibbs finish out his contract. I mean seriously who dare FIRE JOE GIBBS FROM THE REDSKINS. Not even Dan Snyder is that stupid.

Joe Gibbs had flat out bad teams 2 out of the 4 seasons he was here. He didn't finish with the greatest overall record, so some other teams, that would warrant them releasing him.

I think a better question to ask, instead of "Should we fire mike Shanahan", would be "how bad does this year have to go for Mike Shanahan to get fired?" I will go out on a limb and say I believe that only 3 or 4 wins this year, he has a good chance to get fired. That's 3 seasons full of nothing but regression. Sure we have a franchise QB, and that should buy him time, but Griffin can't be expected to be the whole team, which he is at this point. I think unless the redskins finish strong and go out 7-9 or 8-8, Shanahan's job could be in jeapordy.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Shanahan deserves time now that he has RG3, you can't just give up on him after he gets a rookie QB; plus it hurts our rookies progression. Shanahan is smart by buying himself some time by drafting RG3. If shanahan doesn't help this team in terms of wins next year, he'll definitely be a fired candidate. But I believe, and I hope Snyder has learned (plus Snyder went to great lengths to get Mike to coach this team) that you need to give a coach time to get his team together. Now that Mike has his QB, his time is starting now.

This is pretty much the bottom line no matter what we think of Shanny. Well said.


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[That Guy]

at this point haslett has to go. if you want to get rid of shannahan, you need to make sure there's someone out there worth getting.

the biggest problem is there's no pass rush, which was supposed to be there. that'd cover some of our secondary issues where the talent simply does not exist. that's partially injuries (on the front 7) and partially a failure of the personal/management dept. to make sure we'd be okay back there. a lot of very no name guys were brought it, and the results have been pretty self evident.

no #1 picks and an 18$mill hole from the cba penalty, it'll take some luck to land the FAs/immediate draft starters for S/CB/RT (if meriweather/jackson come back, those two can cover the other spot). hall has to go. i'm tired of the tantrums and horrible plays. combined with his contract numbers, it's a bad fit.

still, with that said and covered, where's our pass rushing depth? we're obviously not very good (deep) there, and fletcher is starting to finally show some age too.

/rant

[mooby]

Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mooby

Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.

Association brings assimilation. If he keeps hammering home the "it's the coaches fault" idea, people will start believing it.

I think sometimes it is the coaches fault (Zero blitz, leaving D. Hall on an island will always linger in my memory) but I think today was on the shoulders of the players, sloppy play, sloppy execution, non-existent defense but coupled with weird desperation plays (RG3 as a WR. Paulsen on a TE screen).

This whole thing was a collective loss. F's all around.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Association brings assimilation. If he keeps hammering home the "it's the coaches fault" idea, people will start believing it.

I think sometimes it is the coaches fault (Zero blitz, leaving D. Hall on an island will always linger in my memory) but I think today was on the shoulders of the players, sloppy play, sloppy execution, non-existent defense but coupled with weird desperation plays (RG3 as a WR. Paulsen on a TE screen).

This whole thing was a collective loss. F's all around.

Absolutely. The coaches didn't drop 10 passes...but the whole team looked flat and the coaches do hold some responsibity for that. This was a total team loss. And I haven't said much about Haslett..in fact I've talked more about our injuries...but good lord this guy is NOT DC material. At least not in the 3-4.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mooby

Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.

You could look at it like we should have been 7-0 heading into a week where we didn't show up, but our 3-5 record this year is completely in line with past years. It is what it is at this point.

The only reason for the thread today instead of last week is we're at the middle of the season now. The question would have been valid at any point. Which is why I said in the OP that I expect things to swing significantly in Shannys favor the further we get from today's game. I think that's natural.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.

If our WRs had caught every ball today...we still would have lost, period. Would the score have been a bit closer? Sure, so what?

Any team out-coached as badly as we were today can't win. And that's the stinker of it. If our coaching staff was made up of Tomlin, Lebeau and Haley, and the Steelers were coached by the Shanahans and Haslett, we would have destroyed Pittsburgh today.

Everyone in the predictions thread who said Pittsburgh is not the team they once were...it's still the truth. They didn't even have their best player on defense today, and for the most part their WRs weren't breaking big ones. Their WRs dropped a fair number of passes today as well. They moved the chains on us because our scheme is shit. We can't/won't create pressure running a 3-4 and our secondary was obviously coached to play soft as jello.

Offensively, Kyle was channeling Jim Zorn today. In terms of play-calling/play-design it was at least as bad as anything we saw in the Zorn era. The Morgan to RG3 pass and designed QB run near the goal line are just inexcusable. Really?! You thought the Steelers wouldn't be keying on RG3 all game?

It's why I say this isn't a serious football team right now. If your coaching is so poor as to make a win metaphysically impossible, you're not a serious team.