Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

More like timing there buddy boy. Some of us saw things clearly way ealier, that's all.

No, you were illogical with most of your rants about Shanahan. Negating his success in Denver to "Elway's doing", not crediting him with anything beyond drafting RGIII. You criticize the speed of a Garcon, yet thought he should have resigned Gaffney and brought in Plaxico Burress.

Most of your "things" you saw earlier still aren't correct and are invalid. Shanhan has made his mistakes, just not the ones you think he has.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, you were illogical with most of your rants about Shanahan. Negating his success in Denver to "Elway's doing", not crediting him with anything beyond drafting RGIII. You criticize the speed of a Garcon, yet thought he should have resigned Gaffney and brought in Plaxico Burress.

Most of your "things" you saw earlier still aren't correct and are invalid. Shanhan has made his mistakes, just not the ones you think he has.

Despite the success of the passing offense, I didn't agree with the decision to keep Aldrick Robinson over Anthony Armstrong. Very stupid choice. Armstrong was clearly the better wide receiver while Robinson has dropped many passes this year that Armstrong would have pulled in.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Despite the success of the passing offense, I didn't agree with the decision to keep Aldrick Robinson over Anthony Armstrong. Very stupid choice. Armstrong was clearly the better wide receiver while Robinson has dropped many passes this year that Armstrong would have pulled in.

They fact that Armstrong hasn't stuck on a team yet validates Mike's move. I think he kept Robinson due to the upside as compared to AA. Also, it had been said a few times that AA was having troubles getting off the line cleanly.

I personally don't think it mattered that much which one of them he kept, they are both backups as far as I'm concerned.

[12thMan]

Haven't waded through all the pages, but anyone making an argument that Shanny is anything but a mediocre head coach, doesn't have the stats to back it up. Furthermore, outside of a handful of draft picks the team's talent level is very underwhelming. Outside of Kerrigan, who's been so so this season, and maybe Rak when he returns next season, there's not one single player this team can't live without.

I don't know if Shanny should be fired, but I'm very reluctant to say he's the coach of the future.

[Hog1]

Well....he's available as the Jags cut him. Soooo apparently he did not impress them either.
Jaguars sign LB Greg Jones, cut WR Anthony Armstrong - Big Cat Country

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

More like timing there buddy boy. Some of us saw things clearly way earlier, that's all. It would have taken just one "authority" figure on TWP to stop the nonsensical defending of this regime, but you all chose to keep up the charade. Can't put that on anybody else.

To his credit Tripp saw it first, or at least said so first.

Buddy boy? You make some decent points in your posts. And then you come up with such idiocies as "Mike Shanahan had the benefit of playing in the easy AFC" followed by "Jeff Fisher is so awesome. He's been an amazing coach in the (suddenly powerful) AFC" or "Mike Shanahan is a has been who hasn't won in forever" followed by "I certainly wouldn't say no if Bill Cowher called"

That is why people say you hate just to hate.

You have this ridiculous assumption that the "authority" figures (I'm guessing you mean the mods) all agree on everything and I guess supress the voice of the "opposition" You couldn't be more wrong. You know's who long been an anti-Shanahan (particularly Kyle) guy. GMScud (not to drag you into this G) but that didn't stop me from suggesting he be our new moderator or the rest of the mods unanimously voting him in.

It's no wonder so many people have started ignoring you.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Me, Gtripp, goat and Mechanix have uttered these same things - especially about cutting RG-3's lost years at one instead of letting Shanny waste 3 of his years - and we literally get laughed at. All I hear is Shanny is on the right track - over, and over, and over.

Just one more thing. Up until a week or so ago, LL (HTTR24/7) would have been laughing at you as well. He's been going at it with the other Shanny haters on the ES forums. The only reason he's saying this stuff now is due to some concerns being shared by players. So it's not like he's felt this way the whole time.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just one more thing. Up until a week or so ago, LL (HTTR24/7) would have been laughing at you as well. He's been going at it with the other Shanny haters on the ES forums. The only reason he's saying this stuff now is due to some concerns being shared by players. So it's not like he's felt this way the whole time.

Guess we were rite about him sooner than. Its ok im not an "i told you so" guy. Cant speak for goat gtripp n mechanix on that one though.
Also i thought new poster httr 24-7 was not LL? Think they are two diff people. Could be wrong though. Thought i remember httr 24-7 referencing LL in one of his first posts the other nite. Or he was talking about himself in the third person which is fine too. Lol
Edit: not just concern by players, but brass too apparently.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Guess we were rite about him sooner than. Its ok im not an "i told you so" guy. Cant speak for goat gtripp n mechanix on that one though.
Also i thought new poster httr 24-7 was not LL? Think they are two diff people. Could be wrong though. Thought i remember httr 24-7 referencing LL in one of his first posts the other nite. Or he was talking about himself in the third person which is fine too. Lol

We don't know anything yet. His time here isn't done.

The tweets I post on occasions is from LL (LavarLeap56 from Extremeskins). His user ID on here is HTTR24-7

LL
@HTTR24_7

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Buddy boy? You make some decent points in your posts. And then you come up with such idiocies as "Mike Shanahan had the benefit of playing in the easy AFC" followed by "Jeff Fisher is so awesome. He's been an amazing coach in the (suddenly powerful) AFC" or "Mike Shanahan is a has been who hasn't won in forever" followed by "I certainly wouldn't say no if Bill Cowher called"

That is why people say you hate just to hate.

You have this ridiculous assumption that the "authority" figures (I'm guessing you mean the mods) all agree on everything and I guess supress the voice of the "opposition" You couldn't be more wrong. You know's who long been an anti-Shanahan (particularly Kyle) guy. GMScud (not to drag you into this G) but that didn't stop me from suggesting he be our new moderator or the rest of the mods unanimously voting him in.

It's no wonder so many people have started ignoring you.

Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.

Edit: I think mods can forget how much their insertion of opinion, however inconsistent with reality, influences discussion etc etc. You have sycophants, toadies and bootlickers like NC who can't help themselves from agreeing with people of authority. That's an extreme case, but there's probably some reasonable, thoughtful Skins fans who just avoid discussion here because at times it's been more about rooting for a failed regime than a franchise.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.

You...really are something else.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.

[los panda]

i've never so scared in my entire tuesday

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.

The hatred for the shanny regime has definitely become more intense in my mind because of the "apologists". All of my posts about shanny started in a devils advocate way. The more i read opinions from both sides, the more i saw the "haters" side - which for me will always be first and foremost - wins and losses. All the other stuff - the presser the questionable personnel moves - haslett- discipline and the news from httr 24-7 have just cemented my initial skepticism into cold hard evidence for a change.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You...really are something else.

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