Contenders with QB questions

Paintrain · 07-23-2006, 02:30 PM

Everything I read and hear about the Redskins and the upcoming season revolves around the play of Brunell.. Looking around the league at some of the other teams that are supposed to be in playoff contention I see at least 6 other teams that have QB questions as big or bigger than Brunell..

Miami & Cincinnati-Culpepper and Palmer are coming off of severe knee injuries and Culpepper has to learn a new system and players.
Baltimore-McNair has to learn a new system and players plus he hasn't been healthy over 16 games in years.
NYG-Manning was very inconsistent in the 2nd half and their schedule is much much tougher this year.
Arizona-Warner can't stay healthy and Leinhart is a rookie
SD-Rivers hasn't started a game yet the 'experts' still have the Chargers winning the AFC West. Let's see him play a month before annointing him as a playoff QB.
Minnesota-B. Johnson is older and more brittle than Brunell and who are the backups?
Chicago-Can Rex Grossman stay healthy for 8 straight quarters? Griese is a good backup but you don't want to count on him for long.

I like our situation with Brunell (and our OL) better than any of those situations going into camp.

BigSKINBauer · 07-23-2006, 02:45 PM

Our situation isn't nearly as bad as any of those. Brunell has been our the QB for the greater part of two years and is healthy right now. I think the reason that the media brings up the QB situation here is because there is NOTHING else wrong with our offense. Top five running back, o-line, TE, and WR set along with a the best OC and Head coach in the league. Thinking if we had a top five QB to match it. There is only one flaw on this team but brunell is still an average to good QB. His knee was banged up late. He can produce with these players around him. Last yera he was playing great but it got rough in the last 3 games due to the absence of thomas and brunell's injury he suffered in the giants game.

The only other problem with our team(problem- meaning not top 10) is our run defense. It is weak. I hope carter can do more than bum rush the QB. The LBs have taken a big hit from 04 with pierce. He was an amazing player before the snap. Our DBs are top 5 in the league so if our running defense can hold up i see great things. In GW we trust.

To be great we need brunell to play slightly above average(which he can), our defense to stop the run and get pressure on the QB, and the o-line to stay healthy. I want to see carter at the scrimmage and at camp SO bad.

MTK · 07-23-2006, 03:12 PM

Certainly there are teams with more questionable QB situations.

Unfortunately the only way we're going to stop hearing the Brunell talk is for him to go out and perform at a high level.

steveo395 · 07-23-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Our situation isn't nearly as bad as any of those. Brunell has been our the QB for the greater part of two years and is healthy right now. I think the reason that the media brings up the QB situation here is because there is NOTHING else wrong with our offense. Top five running back, o-line, TE, and WR set along with a the best OC and Head coach in the league. Thinking if we had a top five QB to match it. There is only one flaw on this team but brunell is still an average to good QB. His knee was banged up late. He can produce with these players around him. Last yera he was playing great but it got rough in the last 3 games due to the absence of thomas and brunell's injury he suffered in the giants game.

The only other problem with our team(problem- meaning not top 10) is our run defense. It is weak. I hope carter can do more than bum rush the QB. The LBs have taken a big hit from 04 with pierce. He was an amazing player before the snap. Our DBs are top 5 in the league so if our running defense can hold up i see great things. In GW we trust.

To be great we need brunell to play slightly above average(which he can), our defense to stop the run and get pressure on the QB, and the o-line to stay healthy. I want to see carter at the scrimmage and at camp SO bad.

our run defense was still 13th last year...it was only bad like the first half of the year

MightyJoeGibbs · 07-23-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Our situation isn't nearly as bad as any of those. Brunell has been our the QB for the greater part of two years and is healthy right now. I think the reason that the media brings up the QB situation here is because there is NOTHING else wrong with our offense. Top five running back, o-line, TE, and WR set along with a the best OC and Head coach in the league. Thinking if we had a top five QB to match it. There is only one flaw on this team but brunell is still an average to good QB. His knee was banged up late. He can produce with these players around him. Last yera he was playing great but it got rough in the last 3 games due to the absence of thomas and brunell's injury he suffered in the giants game.

The only other problem with our team(problem- meaning not top 10) is our run defense. It is weak. I hope carter can do more than bum rush the QB. The LBs have taken a big hit from 04 with pierce. He was an amazing player before the snap. Our DBs are top 5 in the league so if our running defense can hold up i see great things. In GW we trust.

To be great we need brunell to play slightly above average(which he can), our defense to stop the run and get pressure on the QB, and the o-line to stay healthy. I want to see carter at the scrimmage and at camp SO bad.

I agree the run defense needs to be consistent and dominant. They already have the swagger of being the best. Run stoppage is what all good defenses take pride in. Before Gregg Williams (I know this is gonna get some smart remarks) who else was as good as disguising and depending upon the secondary to do the front 4 or 7's job of blitzing and run support?? With the tweaks they have made I'd expect the only problem would be that Offenses would go 4 and out leaving me mad they couldn't stay longer on the field.

GoSkins! · 07-23-2006, 04:50 PM

In the NFC East, we have Brunnel, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Manning.

My Thoughts,

Bledsoe is a little over the hill and can be managed with a strong rush and decent coverage.
McNabb is a big ??? If he is over the injury (which I think he will be) he can really beat you with his feet. His problem is that I have seen him confused by good defensive coordinaters (which we have).
Manning certainly has the biggest upside, but isn't there yet. He is a statue with a strong arm and great genetics but still reminds me of Ramsey at times.
Brunnel is also a little over the hill, but can still move around a little, has great chemistry with Cooley and Moss, and plays smarter than the other three guys listed above.

Futher, if you consider the backup situation, I think that we are ,hands down, in the best position of any of the other teams in our division.

I don't see QB as a weakness on our team, rather I see our team has been put together in such a way as to not require the QB to be a superstar. I think that has been and always will be the staple of a Joe Gibbs coached football team.

44_Riggins_44 · 07-23-2006, 06:22 PM

There is absolutely nothing to worry about, we have a great offensive cordinator in Saunders, Brunells a great vet, he'll learn the new system quick, Campbell is learning under Brunell, so either way if Brunell comes out on top we got a great vet, though Brunell is gettin up in years we have: a new offensive weapon in Randle El to take pressure off of Moss, Cooley has emerged as one of the elite tight ends, OL is improving, and a great back in Portis. If Campbell comes out on top, hes had a great mentor in Brunell, a top 10 offensive coordinator, and all those weapons, all Campbell has to do is get the ball to them, wich likely he will. so either way its a win win situation.

Hail to the Redskins

Daseal · 07-23-2006, 07:10 PM

Many of the other teams have much easier schedules than the skins do too.

GTripp0012 · 07-24-2006, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

In the NFC East, we have Brunnel, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Manning.

My Thoughts,

Bledsoe is a little over the hill and can be managed with a strong rush and decent coverage.
McNabb is a big ??? If he is over the injury (which I think he will be) he can really beat you with his feet. His problem is that I have seen him confused by good defensive coordinaters (which we have).
Manning certainly has the biggest upside, but isn't there yet. He is a statue with a strong arm and great genetics but still reminds me of Ramsey at times.
Brunnel is also a little over the hill, but can still move around a little, has great chemistry with Cooley and Moss, and plays smarter than the other three guys listed above.

Futher, if you consider the backup situation, I think that we are ,hands down, in the best position of any of the other teams in our division.

I don't see QB as a weakness on our team, rather I see our team has been put together in such a way as to not require the QB to be a superstar. I think that has been and always will be the staple of a Joe Gibbs coached football team.

McNabb can frusterate D coordinators with his playmaking skills, moreso than the average QB. Luckily over the long run, he is very average, and I believe Gregg Williams will have no problem keeping him relatively in check. Manning will probably take another step foward this year, and the Giants will likely look very, very sharp in the early season. Of course they will lose a game they shouldnt sometime in November and fade on the back end like they always do. Bledsoe is the ol' reliable in this division, but that's not always a good thing. Brunell has a job in this offense, and unlike the other three, doesn't have to win games. He should get to throw on first down more this year, which should help his comp % a significant amount.

Few teams in the league are without a big question mark at this point; feel lucky that we are one of them. Also hope that in the month and a half between now and the season, a question mark doesnt develop.

That Guy · 07-24-2006, 05:03 AM

we have two big question marks

: can brunell stay healthy?
: is our ROLB going to be any good this year?

and a smaller truth that our punter sucks and our kicker might still be hurt, and our OL backups are totally unproven.

Giantone · 07-24-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Many of the other teams have much easier schedules than the skins do too.

According to the NFL ,NY has the toughest schedule

Paintrain · 07-24-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

According to the NFL ,NY has the toughest schedule

The Giants schedule is BRUTAL. They could easily be 2-5 out of the gate Colts, at Philly, at Seattle, bye, Redskins, at Falcons, at Cowboys, Bucs.. Then they still have to go to Jax, to Carolina and to the Redskins to close it out.. I'd rather have our schedule than theirs!!

That Guy · 07-24-2006, 10:58 AM

at least we'll get to see how good our D really is. the NFC east doesn't get to take the peyton manning test all that often.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-24-2006, 11:21 AM

BSB, thank Warrick Holdman for our run defense being so poor in the first half of the season. As soon as LaVar came back (not saying he was great, but better than Holdman) hardly anyone rushed for over 100 yards against us. Our run defense is actually VERY good provided we can get some production out of ROLB.

12thMan · 07-24-2006, 11:28 AM

Bottom line, even if Brunell is healthy we have to give him better starting field position than we did last year. That was one of the things that hurt us in the playoffs v. Seattle.

We can chalk that up to a number of things, poor special teams coverage, horrible punting, a few big runs were ripped off and put the other team deep in our territority on numerous occasions. But I ,for one, don't think that this offense will change drastically and morph into 'Air Corryell' overnight. We'll be more effecient offensively, but I think the special teams, of all the units, absolutely must have a stellar year for us to have a chance.

07-23-2006, 02:30 PM	#1
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Contenders with QB questions Everything I read and hear about the Redskins and the upcoming season revolves around the play of Brunell.. Looking around the league at some of the other teams that are supposed to be in playoff contention I see at least 6 other teams that have QB questions as big or bigger than Brunell.. Miami & Cincinnati-Culpepper and Palmer are coming off of severe knee injuries and Culpepper has to learn a new system and players. Baltimore-McNair has to learn a new system and players plus he hasn't been healthy over 16 games in years. NYG-Manning was very inconsistent in the 2nd half and their schedule is much much tougher this year. Arizona-Warner can't stay healthy and Leinhart is a rookie SD-Rivers hasn't started a game yet the 'experts' still have the Chargers winning the AFC West. Let's see him play a month before annointing him as a playoff QB. Minnesota-B. Johnson is older and more brittle than Brunell and who are the backups? Chicago-Can Rex Grossman stay healthy for 8 straight quarters? Griese is a good backup but you don't want to count on him for long. I like our situation with Brunell (and our OL) better than any of those situations going into camp. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

07-23-2006, 02:45 PM	#2
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Contenders with QB questions Our situation isn't nearly as bad as any of those. Brunell has been our the QB for the greater part of two years and is healthy right now. I think the reason that the media brings up the QB situation here is because there is NOTHING else wrong with our offense. Top five running back, o-line, TE, and WR set along with a the best OC and Head coach in the league. Thinking if we had a top five QB to match it. There is only one flaw on this team but brunell is still an average to good QB. His knee was banged up late. He can produce with these players around him. Last yera he was playing great but it got rough in the last 3 games due to the absence of thomas and brunell's injury he suffered in the giants game. The only other problem with our team(problem- meaning not top 10) is our run defense. It is weak. I hope carter can do more than bum rush the QB. The LBs have taken a big hit from 04 with pierce. He was an amazing player before the snap. Our DBs are top 5 in the league so if our running defense can hold up i see great things. In GW we trust. To be great we need brunell to play slightly above average(which he can), our defense to stop the run and get pressure on the QB, and the o-line to stay healthy. I want to see carter at the scrimmage and at camp SO bad.

07-23-2006, 03:12 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Contenders with QB questions Certainly there are teams with more questionable QB situations. Unfortunately the only way we're going to stop hearing the Brunell talk is for him to go out and perform at a high level. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-23-2006, 04:50 PM	#6
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Contenders with QB questions In the NFC East, we have Brunnel, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Manning. My Thoughts, Bledsoe is a little over the hill and can be managed with a strong rush and decent coverage. McNabb is a big ??? If he is over the injury (which I think he will be) he can really beat you with his feet. His problem is that I have seen him confused by good defensive coordinaters (which we have). Manning certainly has the biggest upside, but isn't there yet. He is a statue with a strong arm and great genetics but still reminds me of Ramsey at times. Brunnel is also a little over the hill, but can still move around a little, has great chemistry with Cooley and Moss, and plays smarter than the other three guys listed above. Futher, if you consider the backup situation, I think that we are ,hands down, in the best position of any of the other teams in our division. I don't see QB as a weakness on our team, rather I see our team has been put together in such a way as to not require the QB to be a superstar. I think that has been and always will be the staple of a Joe Gibbs coached football team. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

07-23-2006, 06:22 PM	#7
44_Riggins_44 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: alexandria, va Age: 33 Posts: 73	Re: Contenders with QB questions There is absolutely nothing to worry about, we have a great offensive cordinator in Saunders, Brunells a great vet, he'll learn the new system quick, Campbell is learning under Brunell, so either way if Brunell comes out on top we got a great vet, though Brunell is gettin up in years we have: a new offensive weapon in Randle El to take pressure off of Moss, Cooley has emerged as one of the elite tight ends, OL is improving, and a great back in Portis. If Campbell comes out on top, hes had a great mentor in Brunell, a top 10 offensive coordinator, and all those weapons, all Campbell has to do is get the ball to them, wich likely he will. so either way its a win win situation. Hail to the Redskins __________________ “ Failures are expected by losers, ignored by winners.” - Joe Gibbs

07-23-2006, 07:10 PM	#8
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Contenders with QB questions Many of the other teams have much easier schedules than the skins do too. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

07-24-2006, 05:03 AM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Contenders with QB questions we have two big question marks : can brunell stay healthy? : is our ROLB going to be any good this year? and a smaller truth that our punter sucks and our kicker might still be hurt, and our OL backups are totally unproven.

07-24-2006, 10:58 AM	#13
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Contenders with QB questions at least we'll get to see how good our D really is. the NFC east doesn't get to take the peyton manning test all that often.

07-24-2006, 11:21 AM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Contenders with QB questions BSB, thank Warrick Holdman for our run defense being so poor in the first half of the season. As soon as LaVar came back (not saying he was great, but better than Holdman) hardly anyone rushed for over 100 yards against us. Our run defense is actually VERY good provided we can get some production out of ROLB. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-24-2006, 11:28 AM	#15
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Contenders with QB questions Bottom line, even if Brunell is healthy we have to give him better starting field position than we did last year. That was one of the things that hurt us in the playoffs v. Seattle. We can chalk that up to a number of things, poor special teams coverage, horrible punting, a few big runs were ripped off and put the other team deep in our territority on numerous occasions. But I ,for one, don't think that this offense will change drastically and morph into 'Air Corryell' overnight. We'll be more effecient offensively, but I think the special teams, of all the units, absolutely must have a stellar year for us to have a chance.

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