Merged: TE/H-back depth chart

Big C · 05-28-2004, 01:38 PM

ESPN Bottom Line said that we signed TE Fred Baxter to a 1 year deal. Here is his profile
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1355

why do you guys think we picked him up? We have enough TE/H-Backs, doesnt make sense to me

Defensewins · 05-28-2004, 02:03 PM

I don't claim to know much about Fred Baxter, but he is a big guy, height: 6-3, weight: 268
Plus he went to Auburn which was primarily a running offense.
It sounds like he is a run blocking TE. So he could serve as a 2nd or 3rd TE on short yardage/jumbo packages.
Plus be a insurance/back up to recently injury prone Walter Rasby.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2004, 02:10 PM

Yeah I think Defense is right, Baxter seem like he fits the mold of Rasby and could be insurance for him

Hogskin · 05-28-2004, 02:51 PM

I also agree with Defense's assessment. And don't forget, teams like to overstock big time prior to training camp. It makes for more competition, and also provides "fodder" in the early practices. We have more TE's than we will keep, and no way to know yet who will end up being the fodder...

MTK · 05-28-2004, 03:15 PM

I wonder if someone like Royals could be on the bubble.

skinsguy · 05-28-2004, 03:33 PM

I'm sure Gibbs wants as much depth as possible at the tight end, H-back spot since his offense is centered around the run to set up the pass. If this guy is a good run blocker, then I'm sure we need him.

Hogskin · 05-28-2004, 04:12 PM

Yes, TE is an important position, but if I count it right, this makes 7 TE's for them now. That means around 4 will not make the final cut. No way they keep 7 TE's no matter how key that position is. In training camp they like to be very deep at all positions, knowing they will trim at every position. Often they do not keep extra depth at K, P, and QB, but expect some guys at every other position to be cut before week 1.

EEich · 05-28-2004, 04:47 PM

I don't remember the source, but I read that Joe plans to keep 4 TEs on the roster.

joecrisp · 05-28-2004, 05:24 PM

Baxter's experience (12 years) likely played a big role in his signing. With Rasby, Koslowski and now Baxter, the Skins now have a trio of veteran TEs with a combined 34 years of NFL experience among them. These three vets will provide leadership and veteran savvy to complement the youth and athleticism of the other four TEs on the roster: Cooley, Ware, Stephens and Royal, who share a combined 5 years of NFL experience.

Though Baxter, Rasby and Koslowski may not be the fastest or most athletic TEs out there, they fit perfectly with Gibbs' specifications for TEs that are smart, tough and hard-working blockers.

Baxter is a good signing.

Hogskin · 05-28-2004, 05:53 PM

Joe, it sounds like you are thinking the Redskins could possibly keep all (or almost all) of these TE's. Is that so? I would sure think the absolute max would be 4, with one on the practice squad. Do you have any idea what his roster makeup was in his last go-round here? (Of course, back then his practice squad was the IR LOL).

JWsleep · 05-28-2004, 06:04 PM

Any idea how much Baxter costs? He played a year in Chicago; I wonder if that's why we picked him up (given our d-line coach)?

There's a question, I think, about how many TEs we'll keep. Maybe some are really TEs (Rasby, Baxter) but some are H-backs (Cooley, Sellars), and we'll keep 3 (4?) at each of these positions. Only if they're all considered as TEs does this seem like a lot. (Remember, there's no blocking back, really.)

I am psyched about the prospect of having a serious o-line again. I can't wait til Buges has them hitting on all cylinders. We are going to wear down a lot of teams. Also, I bet Gibbs is working very hard to figure out how to combat the "blitz all the time" D's that are so popular now in the NFL. I figure he'll keep these big TEs in, and get Coles/Jacobs/etc. open down field, and really make teams pay for blitzing (the complete opposite of Spurrier). And then we always have the H-back in the flat for a 30-yard RAC gain.

Man, is it September yet?????

SmootSmack · 05-28-2004, 06:24 PM

Baxter was a key to the Patriots special team last year so I'm sure he'll help bolster the Skins special teams as well.

But has anyone seen any news on this other than Big C seeing it on the ESPN Bottom Line? Big C when did you see it? I haven't seen it all day and I've been checking the wires also

Daseal · 05-28-2004, 06:27 PM

I really hope Royal makes the squad. I've seen flashes out of him that makes me believe he could be an excellent receiving TE, however he's fairly one dimensional and isn't a great blocker. Cooley, Sellars, and Royal I definitely want to see on the "rooster" as some other poster put it!

Redskins8588 · 05-28-2004, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootsmack

Baxter was a key to the Patriots special team last year so I'm sure he'll help bolster the Skins special teams as well.

But has anyone seen any news on this other than Big C seeing it on the ESPN Bottom Line? Big C when did you see it? I haven't seen it all day and I've been checking the wires also

I have seen it also on another site, but not on a major sport site. Any how to go with smootsmack, what are the chances that not only Baxter but the other TE's will be used on Special Teams?

joecrisp · 05-28-2004, 11:50 PM

Still haven't found any confirmation on the Baxter signing...

On average, Gibbs carried between 5 and 6 TEs/H-backs on his roster during his first run with the Skins.

They'll probably wind up keeing six of these guys, and assuming that Baxter has indeed been signed, this is how I would see the depth chart shaking out in training camp:

TE:
1. Rasby
2. Baxter
3. Kozlowski
4. Ware

H-back:
1. Cooley
2. Sellers
3. Kozlowski/Ware

I know some folks are high on Royal as a receiving TE, but I haven't been impressed with him at all in the past two minicamps; whereas Ware really seemed to be putting forth an excellent effort and looked solid. Ware just looks like more of a Gibbs guy at this point, and seems to fit the blocking TE role better than Royal. But of course, it's early.

That would put Royal and Stephens on the cut list. If Baxter is a mirage, then Royal makes it.

05-28-2004, 01:38 PM	#1
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	We signed Fred Baxter ESPN Bottom Line said that we signed TE Fred Baxter to a 1 year deal. Here is his profile http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1355 why do you guys think we picked him up? We have enough TE/H-Backs, doesnt make sense to me

05-28-2004, 02:10 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Yeah I think Defense is right, Baxter seem like he fits the mold of Rasby and could be insurance for him __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-28-2004, 02:51 PM	#4
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	I also agree with Defense's assessment. And don't forget, teams like to overstock big time prior to training camp. It makes for more competition, and also provides "fodder" in the early practices. We have more TE's than we will keep, and no way to know yet who will end up being the fodder... __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

05-28-2004, 04:12 PM	#7
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	Yes, TE is an important position, but if I count it right, this makes 7 TE's for them now. That means around 4 will not make the final cut. No way they keep 7 TE's no matter how key that position is. In training camp they like to be very deep at all positions, knowing they will trim at every position. Often they do not keep extra depth at K, P, and QB, but expect some guys at every other position to be cut before week 1. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

05-28-2004, 05:53 PM	#10
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	Joe, it sounds like you are thinking the Redskins could possibly keep all (or almost all) of these TE's. Is that so? I would sure think the absolute max would be 4, with one on the practice squad. Do you have any idea what his roster makeup was in his last go-round here? (Of course, back then his practice squad was the IR LOL). __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

05-28-2004, 02:03 PM	#2
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	I don't claim to know much about Fred Baxter, but he is a big guy, height: 6-3, weight: 268 Plus he went to Auburn which was primarily a running offense. It sounds like he is a run blocking TE. So he could serve as a 2nd or 3rd TE on short yardage/jumbo packages. Plus be a insurance/back up to recently injury prone Walter Rasby.

05-28-2004, 03:15 PM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	I wonder if someone like Royals could be on the bubble.

05-28-2004, 03:33 PM	#6
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I'm sure Gibbs wants as much depth as possible at the tight end, H-back spot since his offense is centered around the run to set up the pass. If this guy is a good run blocker, then I'm sure we need him.

05-28-2004, 04:47 PM	#8
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 61 Posts: 1,001	I don't remember the source, but I read that Joe plans to keep 4 TEs on the roster.

05-28-2004, 05:24 PM	#9
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	Baxter's experience (12 years) likely played a big role in his signing. With Rasby, Koslowski and now Baxter, the Skins now have a trio of veteran TEs with a combined 34 years of NFL experience among them. These three vets will provide leadership and veteran savvy to complement the youth and athleticism of the other four TEs on the roster: Cooley, Ware, Stephens and Royal, who share a combined 5 years of NFL experience. Though Baxter, Rasby and Koslowski may not be the fastest or most athletic TEs out there, they fit perfectly with Gibbs' specifications for TEs that are smart, tough and hard-working blockers. Baxter is a good signing.

05-28-2004, 06:04 PM	#11
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	Any idea how much Baxter costs? He played a year in Chicago; I wonder if that's why we picked him up (given our d-line coach)? There's a question, I think, about how many TEs we'll keep. Maybe some are really TEs (Rasby, Baxter) but some are H-backs (Cooley, Sellars), and we'll keep 3 (4?) at each of these positions. Only if they're all considered as TEs does this seem like a lot. (Remember, there's no blocking back, really.) I am psyched about the prospect of having a serious o-line again. I can't wait til Buges has them hitting on all cylinders. We are going to wear down a lot of teams. Also, I bet Gibbs is working very hard to figure out how to combat the "blitz all the time" D's that are so popular now in the NFL. I figure he'll keep these big TEs in, and get Coles/Jacobs/etc. open down field, and really make teams pay for blitzing (the complete opposite of Spurrier). And then we always have the H-back in the flat for a 30-yard RAC gain. Man, is it September yet????? __________________ Hail from Houston!

05-28-2004, 06:24 PM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Baxter was a key to the Patriots special team last year so I'm sure he'll help bolster the Skins special teams as well. But has anyone seen any news on this other than Big C seeing it on the ESPN Bottom Line? Big C when did you see it? I haven't seen it all day and I've been checking the wires also __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-28-2004, 06:27 PM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I really hope Royal makes the squad. I've seen flashes out of him that makes me believe he could be an excellent receiving TE, however he's fairly one dimensional and isn't a great blocker. Cooley, Sellars, and Royal I definitely want to see on the "rooster" as some other poster put it!

05-28-2004, 11:50 PM	#15
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	Still haven't found any confirmation on the Baxter signing... On average, Gibbs carried between 5 and 6 TEs/H-backs on his roster during his first run with the Skins. They'll probably wind up keeing six of these guys, and assuming that Baxter has indeed been signed, this is how I would see the depth chart shaking out in training camp: TE: 1. Rasby 2. Baxter 3. Kozlowski 4. Ware H-back: 1. Cooley 2. Sellers 3. Kozlowski/Ware I know some folks are high on Royal as a receiving TE, but I haven't been impressed with him at all in the past two minicamps; whereas Ware really seemed to be putting forth an excellent effort and looked solid. Ware just looks like more of a Gibbs guy at this point, and seems to fit the blocking TE role better than Royal. But of course, it's early. That would put Royal and Stephens on the cut list. If Baxter is a mirage, then Royal makes it.

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