www.alluc.org

[hooskins]

Great site, has links to pretty much every tv show out there, and even some movies and classic sports matches.

News

And dont worry about downloading, its all uploaded on other sites. Also it is very legal because the site doesnt host the files, nor do you download them. Some other user uploads the file on video uploading server. Basically it is legal to watch movies online that are uploaded on the site as long as you dont download them, its like going to youtube.

And for those who havent been to this site, you are welcome.

[mooby]

well that's good news for me, ever since they blocked watchtvsitcoms.com at school i've been really bored.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Great site, has links to pretty much every tv show out there, and even some movies and classic sports matches.

News

And dont worry about downloading, its all uploaded on other sites. Also it is very legal because the site doesnt host the files, nor do you download them. Some other user uploads the file on video uploading server. Basically it is legal to watch movies online that are uploaded on the site as long as you dont download them, its like going to youtube.

And for those who havent been to this site, you are welcome.

"Legal" by whose definition?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

"Legal" by whose definition?

None of the files are hosted on the sites. Technically it's a legal loophole... since they're hosting just "links" to the files themselves... they're not doing anything illegal.

They make sure you know that you're leaving the website once your clicking on the link, and that they're just providing access to information, but not actually hosting it.

Most of the links will be hosted in Switzerland, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. where the laws don't forbid hosting of copyrighted material.

You've got pretty much every episode of the office, scrubs, family guy, Simpsons, you name it. It's also got a rapidly growing list of movies.

[SmootSmack]

From Wikipedia:

Problems
In January 2007, Fox and Paramount threatened the site owners to sue them and the company that hosted their server to if they didn't take down links to their specific content. In fear of lawsuits and having their site taken down, the site owners removed the requested series and adhered to proposal not to host the mentioned items.

Legal Controversy

When opening a link to a video on the site, the site generates the following message:


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You are now leaving alluc.org!
By clicking on, continue to content, you will be redirected to the Episode of your choice.


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Alluc claims in it's disclaimer/imprint[2] that it is not responsible for any of the content linked or referred to from it's pages. All youtube/dailymotion users signed a contract with the sites when they set up their accounts which forces them not to upload illegal content.

Web sites similar to alluc.org are quickly gaining momentum, all the while dodging legal flagging thanks to the number of changing hyperlinks.

Alluc.org’s biggest threat are companies including the Motion Picture Association of America, which has already won anti-piracy lawsuits against users on similar sites. Prosecution can include incarceration up to five years and fines reaching $150,000 U.S. per work.

Since users are aware that they do not own the copyright to these works, the onus is on them to accept the consequences of possible jail time if caught.

[RobH4413]

Thanks Smoot...

I had no idea... I read an article in WSJ that didn't indicate the user was at risk of legal action. Crazy stuff.

If they are going to prosecute someone, It would most likely be at a university, or some other concentrated group of people so the lawsuit would help directly affect piracy.

These movie companies don't want to spend money to prosecute some "joe shmoe" that no-one will here about. They want to go to major university where the word will get out, and they'll be able to recover the consumers that were lost by piracy. People who used to go to alluc.org will here about the lawsuit, freak out, and buy "the office" instead of streaming it.

The music industry has been doing a similar assault.

In Sweden, there is literally different parties that represent pro-piracy and anti-piracy laws. You probably would correctly assume that the major movie companies are heavily pouring in resources for the piracy laws to take effect, saying as how Sweden hosts probably upwards of 75% of these files.

Check it out: Pirate Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EDIT: wrong country

[FRPLG]

Seems to em that the legality of the site is actually in question.

Actually the legality of all of this stuff is a huge question. We need to start making some decisions as a society about how to handle the digital copyrights issues. Unless we get a clear moral basis this debate will never end. I wish there were easy answers. There aren't any though.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I think just talking about this stuff could be illegal

Seriously, there will never be an end to content sharing. With the invention of the Internet, it just makes it that much harder to control. Frankly, there is little anybody can do to stop it. Has anyone here ever heard of BitTorrent?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seems to em that the legality of the site is actually in question.

Actually the legality of all of this stuff is a huge question. We need to start making some decisions as a society about how to handle the digital copyrights issues. Unless we get a clear moral basis this debate will never end. I wish there were easy answers. There aren't any though.

But I still dont see how it is illegal. There is nothing being downloaded. It is all streaming from what is uploaded on that site. As long as you dont upload or download it doesnt matter.

[hooskins]

Only thing the gov or the show producer could do is go to these hosting servers and make them delete it. But nothing happens to alluc. This site has been around for a longgg time.

I know some of you older folk are kinda shocked by this stuff, but on college campuses or just with younger kids, there is just a ton of downloading. There are many safer ways than others. Like dont use Megaupload, that site is being monitored by the govt. But there are forums, specifically for music, where people post links to hosting sites. There are no torrents involved. Those sites run, are legal.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by hooskins

But I still dont see how it is illegal. There is nothing being downloaded. It is all streaming from what is uploaded on that site. As long as you dont upload or download it doesnt matter.

I think if you look at it from the standpoint that alluc is potentially enabling people to illegally access copyrighted material then it gets pretty sticky. I am not saying I think it is illegal I am just saying that content sharing and it's legality as well as its ethicasy are questionable. I tend to think a totally new sense of property is going to need to be devised to deal with it since I agree that it isn't going away and the current laws and ways of thinking do not adequately deal with the issues.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Thanks Smoot...

I had no idea... I read an article in WSJ that didn't indicate the user was at risk of legal action.

Here's the article.


Threat for Big Media: Guerrilla Video Sites - WSJ.com

This quote probably sums it up:

"Another user wrote, "I want to know whether this service is legal or not," and asked whether visiting the site would land him in prison.


"We get a lot of emails like that," remarked Mr. Duran, adding that some came from schools concerned about what their students were up to. "I can't say it's completely legal," Mr. Martinez shrugged. "But I say we stay within certain guidelines to stop from getting shut down.""