Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2007, 03:23 PM

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid..._kc&id=2924354

Pretty much nothing we didn't already know, but it's somewhat redeeming to see that ST isn't alone in his struggles.

Bill B · 07-06-2007, 03:28 PM

Gtripp - can you paste the story onto a post - I'm not a subscriber to ESPN Insider.

Thanks

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2007, 03:28 PM

See, I read that and then I see the company he's in like Ed Reed and I still feel OK about our situation. They always talk about these metrics and honestly if you look at other safeties in the league, I'll take Reed and Taylor over them any day regardless of this metric junk.

Redskins8588 · 07-06-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Gtripp - can you paste the story onto a post - I'm not a subscriber to ESPN Insider.

Thanks

yeah that makes 2

SKINSnCANES · 07-06-2007, 03:41 PM

what metric shows how long it takes people to get up after being hit?
or the metric that accounts for Taylor covering for AA?

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

See, I read that and then I see the company he's in like Ed Reed and I still feel OK about our situation. They always talk about these metrics and honestly if you look at other safeties in the league, I'll take Reed and Taylor over them any day regardless of this metric junk.

I'd rather have the safety that breaks up the pass and prevents the yards, but I guess I'm weird for being in that junk.

Who needs good defense when you can see people get lit up!

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2007, 03:51 PM

From the article

Sean Taylor

Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.

Bill B · 07-06-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

From the article

Sean Taylor

Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.

Thanks - I hope Taylor comes back to surprise people this year with his coverage

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Thanks - I hope Taylor comes back to surprise people this year with his coverage

As do I.

hesscl34 · 07-06-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

From the article

Sean Taylor

Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.

Hmmmmm, I think his hit on that poor kicker says otherwise.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd rather have the safety that breaks up the pass and prevents the yards, but I guess I'm weird for being in that junk.

Who needs good defense when you can see people get lit up!

I'm not even talking about that. I think a lot of that stuff is overrated. Big hits aside, I'm talking about pure difference makers. I think that a lot of people would say that Reed or Taylor are bigger difference makers than anyone who "rates" metrically higher.

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Hmmmmm, I think his hit on that poor kicker says otherwise.

Neither here nor there in a thread about pass coverage.

Still, quite entertaining.

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm not even talking about that. I think a lot of that stuff is overrated. Big hits aside, I'm talking about pure difference makers. I think that a lot of people would say that Reed or Taylor are bigger difference makers than anyone who "rates" metrically higher.

What differences are there that are more important than preventing foward moving offense? Interceptions, maybe?

ST had a mere one of those that year.

If he's not good at playing safety, thats the only think I care about.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2007, 04:55 PM

I don't think it was him so much as it was the team around him last year. Obviously his first two years in the league he was good to great, then the entire team goes down the drain...

RMSkins · 07-06-2007, 04:59 PM

I guess Joyner has no clue who John Lynch is, the most overrated safety in the leauge besides Roy Williams. How in the world does Joyner get away with putting Ed Reed, and Sean Taylor in the overrated list?, and forgets all about John Lynch who is the most deserving I mean this guy steals a pro bowl spot every year from a way more deserving safety just because his name is John Lynch. I will admit Lynch was a above average safety with the Bucs, but since he has been with the Broncos he has been horrendous.

07-06-2007, 03:23 PM	#1
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid..._kc&id=2924354 Pretty much nothing we didn't already know, but it's somewhat redeeming to see that ST isn't alone in his struggles.

07-06-2007, 03:28 PM	#2
Bill B Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 721	Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint Gtripp - can you paste the story onto a post - I'm not a subscriber to ESPN Insider. Thanks

07-06-2007, 03:28 PM	#3
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint See, I read that and then I see the company he's in like Ed Reed and I still feel OK about our situation. They always talk about these metrics and honestly if you look at other safeties in the league, I'll take Reed and Taylor over them any day regardless of this metric junk. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-06-2007, 03:41 PM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint what metric shows how long it takes people to get up after being hit? or the metric that accounts for Taylor covering for AA? __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

07-06-2007, 03:51 PM	#7
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint From the article Sean Taylor Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year.

07-06-2007, 04:55 PM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint I don't think it was him so much as it was the team around him last year. Obviously his first two years in the league he was good to great, then the entire team goes down the drain... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-06-2007, 04:59 PM	#15
RMSkins The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 36 Posts: 1,066	Re: Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint I guess Joyner has no clue who John Lynch is, the most overrated safety in the leauge besides Roy Williams. How in the world does Joyner get away with putting Ed Reed, and Sean Taylor in the overrated list?, and forgets all about John Lynch who is the most deserving I mean this guy steals a pro bowl spot every year from a way more deserving safety just because his name is John Lynch. I will admit Lynch was a above average safety with the Bucs, but since he has been with the Broncos he has been horrendous.

Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

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