Interesting blog interview on how we build a team

paulskinsfan · 10-18-2007, 09:52 AM

Lots of us on this site have gone off on Snyder and company for trading away picks. Ive been a big supporter of bringing in a GM (as have many others) with autonomy. Here is an interesting interview supporting saving those draft picks:

Redskins Insider

redsk1 · 10-18-2007, 10:10 AM

Good interview. It's no secret that the skins FO has not done a good job over the last 10 yrs+. I think most of us can agree that throwing around draft picks...wasting draft picks is common for our FO and doesn't work. I hope the FO has finally realized this.

MTK · 10-18-2007, 10:11 AM

Not to be a jerk but it's pretty much common knowledge, nothing really groundbreaking in that article.

SmootSmack · 10-18-2007, 10:25 AM

Well since Gibbs' return we have drafted Montgomery, Golston, Taylor, Cooley, Landry, MacIntosh, Campbell, Rogers, and I'm sure other key contributors that I'm forgetting right now. Plus moving forward we have (I believe) picks in the 13 out of the next 14 rounds in the NFL draft, having traded away a pick for Pete Kendall.

So I'd say we draft smart and we're starting to draft more. Overall we're heading in the right direction.

MTK · 10-18-2007, 10:37 AM

Yes the Skins have focused too much on free agency and I really hope they've learned their lesson.

Especially with recent free agent blunders like Archuletta and Lloyd, compared with the recent draft success stories of McIntosh, Golston, Montgomery, Campbell, Taylor, Cooley, Landry, etc.

Rajmahal33 · 10-18-2007, 10:44 AM

Very very good point Smoot, I was thinking the same thing the other day. As much criticism and scrutiny that Joe Gibbs has to endure people don't give him (and his coaching staff) the credit they deserve for turning the franchise back in the right direction. We have also re-signed some of our own home grown players over the past year or so, which sends a very good message to the players that if they play, the management will do the best to keep them happy.

Its not all about W's and L's sometimes. I am also glad that we have had limited player behavioral issues and sanctions from the league compared to other teams in the NFL. To me, thats is b/c of the type of person Gibbs is and I think that we are on our way back to the promised land.

freddyg12 · 10-18-2007, 10:48 AM

I agree w/Matty & SS.
We've talked about it before, it seems there is a wide gap between our college & pro scouting. We've done a good job w/the draft picks we've had, but have done a terrible job w/a few free agents (not to discount the success of ARE, Washington, etc.). How could you not know about Loyd's issues w/his teamates in San Fran?

On a side note, people here pick on Rogers a lot, but lets look at the 2 other top corners in that draft that went before him: Pacman Jones - suspended, Antrell Rolle - 2nd string for the Cards. Not to mention, the front office passed on the temptation of wr Mike Williams that year & got JC in the 1st round.

2005 is looking more & more like a coup as time goes on!

Rajmahal33 · 10-18-2007, 11:19 AM

But i think the rationale for the criticism on that pick is that we could have also gone for a D-linemen (Shawne Merriman or Demarcus Ware or Erasmus James) and considering we had already invested a pick on the secondary in the previous year (Sean Taylor), there were more pressing needs. Then again, hindsight is 20-20 and at least we got JC in that draft

Sean Taylor · 10-18-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yes the Skins have focused too much on free agency and I really hope they've learned their lesson.

Especially with recent free agent blunders like Archuletta and Lloyd, compared with the recent draft success stories of McIntosh, Golston, Montgomery, Campbell, Taylor, Cooley, Landry, etc.

Agreed. Rocky is awesome this year. That guy has a nose for the ball and his motor just goes and goes......

freddyg12 · 10-18-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

But i think the rationale for the criticism on that pick is that we could have also gone for a D-linemen (Shawne Merriman or Demarcus Ware or Erasmus James) and considering we had already invested a pick on the secondary in the previous year (Sean Taylor), there were more pressing needs. Then again, hindsight is 20-20 and at least we got JC in that draft

Merriman & Ware are not really good fits in GW's D. Not that he couldn't find a way to use those guys, but both are not ideal down linemen.

We'd lost Smoot that offseason so I agreed totally w/the rationale for picking a cb. Plus, all 3 of those guys - Rogers, Jones & Rolle - were rated as future #1 corners.

You can look back & say w/the Rogers pick that we didn't get the best player, but we surely dodged a few picks that are now looking close to bust status. Remember how many people here kept crying to pick Williams?

warriorzpath · 10-18-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

But i think the rationale for the criticism on that pick is that we could have also gone for a D-linemen (Shawne Merriman or Demarcus Ware or Erasmus James) and considering we had already invested a pick on the secondary in the previous year (Sean Taylor), there were more pressing needs. Then again, hindsight is 20-20 and at least we got JC in that draft

The trippy thing is- If the redskins didn't do their scouting for Carlos Rogers at Auburn, then they might not have drafted Jason Campbell. From what I read, Rogers highly recommended looking at Campbell. When the redskins drafted Campbell, there was a lot criticism for the decision. I think it goes to show you that you do what you think is right and forget about all the negative judgments.

bedlamVR · 10-18-2007, 02:08 PM

I still think Rogers gets some bad press amongst the fans and he has been invovled in I think 2 big plays that have lead to losses but that is it all season... 2 plays both of which were missed tackles essentially (Burress and the in GB) but in GB it was Rocky who was beaten in coverage and against Burress there were three other guys who had a shot at stopping him and missed.....

I am sick of "oh we should have picked Merrimen" ....yep possibly he is the stud of that draft but we were in need of a smart middle linebacker with the loss of Pierce and CB with Smoot leaving ...not an OLB/DE who would be a 3rd down pass rush speciallist in a 4-3 system.... would you be happy with Harris as he was in 2004 and the fragile Springs and no youth movement at all... Remember CBs were hot property in 2005 getting massive contracts and again this last season we have seen Clements getting QB money 80 mil ...also remember CBs were hot in 2005 draft 3 sure fire hits....Merriman would be a short reach and a luxary we would have had to address CB at some point , which then asks the question who would you do without if you think you have to use a 1st round pick somewhere on a CB to have a decent chance of getting a good No1 guy .... Campbell? Rocky? Landry?

A GM can ruin teams as well as make them ( See A J Smith - Chargers 2007 re : Hiring Norv Turner) . I think it is telling that the teams we most resemble in terms of front office set up are the Patriots and the Eagles.

People seem to think a GM is the magic bullet but I would rather see where the Gibbs train will take us...

warriorzpath · 10-18-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bedlamVR

I still think Rogers gets some bad press amongst the fans and he has been invovled in I think 2 big plays that have lead to losses but that is it all season... 2 plays both of which were missed tackles essentially (Burress and the in GB) but in GB it was Rocky who was beaten in coverage and against Burress there were three other guys who had a shot at stopping him and missed.....

I think Rogers may be an okay player, but at this point he was not worth the high draft pick. It's not so much about the mistakes he has made, because everyone makes them - it's the lack of big plays that he has (not) made.

He may become a play-maker, but he just needs to step up his game. I don't know if he has put in extra work outside of practice because it would definitely help.

The Zimmermans · 10-18-2007, 02:25 PM

the only major mistakes we made recently in the draft were taylor jacobs and carlos rogers.....now only if we had kept more picks....all our best players were acquired in the draft

jsnyder03 · 10-18-2007, 05:17 PM

The player trades for draft picks have disappointed (Lloyd, Duckett .. but Kendall was a GREAT move).

Most of the picks given away were to move up in the draft (Cambell, Cooley, Macintosh). While I would prefer the FO be patient and value pick from their spot, you can't praise the FO for these picks AND kill them for trading away the future picks.

10-18-2007, 10:10 AM	#2
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team Good interview. It's no secret that the skins FO has not done a good job over the last 10 yrs+. I think most of us can agree that throwing around draft picks...wasting draft picks is common for our FO and doesn't work. I hope the FO has finally realized this.

10-18-2007, 10:11 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team Not to be a jerk but it's pretty much common knowledge, nothing really groundbreaking in that article. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-18-2007, 10:25 AM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team Well since Gibbs' return we have drafted Montgomery, Golston, Taylor, Cooley, Landry, MacIntosh, Campbell, Rogers, and I'm sure other key contributors that I'm forgetting right now. Plus moving forward we have (I believe) picks in the 13 out of the next 14 rounds in the NFL draft, having traded away a pick for Pete Kendall. So I'd say we draft smart and we're starting to draft more. Overall we're heading in the right direction. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-18-2007, 10:37 AM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team Yes the Skins have focused too much on free agency and I really hope they've learned their lesson. Especially with recent free agent blunders like Archuletta and Lloyd, compared with the recent draft success stories of McIntosh, Golston, Montgomery, Campbell, Taylor, Cooley, Landry, etc. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-18-2007, 10:44 AM	#6
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team Very very good point Smoot, I was thinking the same thing the other day. As much criticism and scrutiny that Joe Gibbs has to endure people don't give him (and his coaching staff) the credit they deserve for turning the franchise back in the right direction. We have also re-signed some of our own home grown players over the past year or so, which sends a very good message to the players that if they play, the management will do the best to keep them happy. Its not all about W's and L's sometimes. I am also glad that we have had limited player behavioral issues and sanctions from the league compared to other teams in the NFL. To me, thats is b/c of the type of person Gibbs is and I think that we are on our way back to the promised land. __________________ McNasty FTW!

10-18-2007, 09:52 AM	#1
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Interesting blog interview on how we build a team Lots of us on this site have gone off on Snyder and company for trading away picks. Ive been a big supporter of bringing in a GM (as have many others) with autonomy. Here is an interesting interview supporting saving those draft picks: Redskins Insider

10-18-2007, 10:48 AM	#7
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team I agree w/Matty & SS. We've talked about it before, it seems there is a wide gap between our college & pro scouting. We've done a good job w/the draft picks we've had, but have done a terrible job w/a few free agents (not to discount the success of ARE, Washington, etc.). How could you not know about Loyd's issues w/his teamates in San Fran? On a side note, people here pick on Rogers a lot, but lets look at the 2 other top corners in that draft that went before him: Pacman Jones - suspended, Antrell Rolle - 2nd string for the Cards. Not to mention, the front office passed on the temptation of wr Mike Williams that year & got JC in the 1st round. 2005 is looking more & more like a coup as time goes on!

10-18-2007, 11:19 AM	#8
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team But i think the rationale for the criticism on that pick is that we could have also gone for a D-linemen (Shawne Merriman or Demarcus Ware or Erasmus James) and considering we had already invested a pick on the secondary in the previous year (Sean Taylor), there were more pressing needs. Then again, hindsight is 20-20 and at least we got JC in that draft __________________ McNasty FTW!

10-18-2007, 02:08 PM	#12
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team I still think Rogers gets some bad press amongst the fans and he has been invovled in I think 2 big plays that have lead to losses but that is it all season... 2 plays both of which were missed tackles essentially (Burress and the in GB) but in GB it was Rocky who was beaten in coverage and against Burress there were three other guys who had a shot at stopping him and missed..... I am sick of "oh we should have picked Merrimen" ....yep possibly he is the stud of that draft but we were in need of a smart middle linebacker with the loss of Pierce and CB with Smoot leaving ...not an OLB/DE who would be a 3rd down pass rush speciallist in a 4-3 system.... would you be happy with Harris as he was in 2004 and the fragile Springs and no youth movement at all... Remember CBs were hot property in 2005 getting massive contracts and again this last season we have seen Clements getting QB money 80 mil ...also remember CBs were hot in 2005 draft 3 sure fire hits....Merriman would be a short reach and a luxary we would have had to address CB at some point , which then asks the question who would you do without if you think you have to use a 1st round pick somewhere on a CB to have a decent chance of getting a good No1 guy .... Campbell? Rocky? Landry? A GM can ruin teams as well as make them ( See A J Smith - Chargers 2007 re : Hiring Norv Turner) . I think it is telling that the teams we most resemble in terms of front office set up are the Patriots and the Eagles. People seem to think a GM is the magic bullet but I would rather see where the Gibbs train will take us...

10-18-2007, 02:25 PM	#14
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team the only major mistakes we made recently in the draft were taylor jacobs and carlos rogers.....now only if we had kept more picks....all our best players were acquired in the draft __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

10-18-2007, 05:17 PM	#15
jsnyder03 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 34	Re: Interesting blog interview on how we build a team The player trades for draft picks have disappointed (Lloyd, Duckett .. but Kendall was a GREAT move). Most of the picks given away were to move up in the draft (Cambell, Cooley, Macintosh). While I would prefer the FO be patient and value pick from their spot, you can't praise the FO for these picks AND kill them for trading away the future picks.

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