Ogunleye chances back now?

Skinzfan_26 · 08-07-2004, 08:01 PM

Williams retired.bostons out for season,they need offense and we have gardener to give away.How does that sound gardener for wale or gardener and betts for wale?

saden1 · 08-07-2004, 08:26 PM

We have Gardener to give away? No we don't!!! He's a proven 1000 yard catcher no one else on the roster besides Coles is. No my friend, the season is upon us and we don't have Gardener to give away.

illdefined · 08-07-2004, 08:27 PM

man what did Miami ever do to deserve this??

i'd be more than willing to trade 50/50 for Ogun now that they need a reciever, but i'd imagine Ogun is Miami's best asset right now, and they'd save it for a back since their offense/playbook is more tuned to that than passing.

Bergman14 · 08-07-2004, 08:32 PM

At this point in the offseason i think Gibbs is smart enough to leave the team intact, hes not dumb like danny

offiss · 08-07-2004, 09:03 PM

The guy want's a max contract, I don't see how we could sign him.

Hogskin · 08-07-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

We have Gardener to give away? No we don't!!! He's a proven 1000 yard catcher no one else on the roster besides Coles is. No my friend, the season is upon us and we don't have Gardener to give away.

I've been saying since day one that we should make this trade (it will take a draft pick too). And now, Miami has even more reason to be interested.

1. Gibbs is definitely interested in Wale - too many rumors for it not to be so.

2. Gardner drops too many passes - and it ALWAYS seems to be in a key (3rd down) situation. He will be on the bench by week 4 - get something for him!!

3. Ogunleye has proven to be a premier pass rusher. The Redskins DEFINITELY need one. If you don't believe it, read what ALL of the "experts" say (both PRO Skins and ANTI Skins). That is a real problem area for the team.

4. WR is our only "overstocked" position. (Don't count TE - none of them have any drawing power). Depth is nice, but NOT at the expense of leaving another key position weak.

5. Someone said we can't afford him. One of the Redskins' typical backloaded contracts will do the job. Gardner's trade opens up over $1M this year, more next. And the final roster has not yet been decided...

SKINSnCANES · 08-07-2004, 10:06 PM

plus we will get the money back for Walt Harris. We could afford him, I dont knwo if getting rid of Gardner is the best move though, Coles could go down at anytime with his toe. Jacobs is injured all the time, thrash is not a starting receiver.. that would leave us with that, McCants and Thrash at 1 and 2 if we trade Gardner and Coles goes down? Not a situation I want to be in. Expeciallsy ien out linebackers seem to be getting a lot of pressure.

Dana87 · 08-07-2004, 10:50 PM

I don't like the idea of giving up Gardner right when he is developing into a quality WR. I look for him to be in the Monk roll. While Coles will be in the Clark roll. Wale would be a great addition but I would rather trade next years #1 pick and let them find another WR or RB with that.

MTK · 08-07-2004, 11:01 PM

I don't see Gibbs making a move this late in the offseason.

Hogskin · 08-07-2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana87

I don't like the idea of giving up Gardner right when he is developing into a quality WR. I look for him to be in the Monk roll. While Coles will be in the Clark roll. Wale would be a great addition but I would rather trade next years #1 pick and let them find another WR or RB with that.

No way you get him for a #1 now. What is their motivation? They have needs now and Wannstadt's job is on the line. They have cap room now to sign him if they do'n use him to fill a more pressing need. They will either sign him or trade him for some immediate offensive help. I think it will be the latter. Probably not to the Skins, but I would love to see it. A lot of folks like to talk about us trading a shutdown CB. With a premier pass rusher added to our D (and thanks to Greg Williams), we would have a shutdown DEFENSE. With DL pressure in addition to Washington and Arrington, our good DB's would look like the best in the league.

That Guy · 08-07-2004, 11:55 PM

bringing in a new player that would be that far behind already would be a bit hard... williams has adapted his defense already, and having a new pass rusher means changing the defense for everyone, otherwise he wouldn't be as useful... either way, i highly doubt it'll happen.

Hogskin · 08-08-2004, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

bringing in a new player that would be that far behind already would be a bit hard... williams has adapted his defense already, and having a new pass rusher means changing the defense for everyone, otherwise he wouldn't be as useful... either way, i highly doubt it'll happen.

Wow - we are only a WEEK into training camp. And we still have FIVE preseason games to play. Ramsey missed much more as an NFL rookie, which is much tougher. The season doesn't end on week one of the preseason. It's a very long haul, and our DB's are going to have a tough go of it without some DL pressure. Hey, top teams add new guys WELL INTO THE REGULAR SEASON!!! It's very early - not at all too late to fill a glaring weakness. That's why Gibbs has had talks with Miami a week or 10 days ago, and I'm betting there are more talks going on now. Of course, NOW we are having to line up with all the other NFL teams that are trying to pry him away...

That Guy · 08-08-2004, 12:21 AM

right, but to use him effectively, you shouldn't just plug him in in place of a D linemen, and all the minicamps are done etc... it can be done, but every day later makes it less likely. If you going to get him and play him as if he were upshaw quality... well, that's a waste of his talent.

and ramsey's missed camp cost him, it took him a while to recover from that.

MTK · 08-08-2004, 01:43 AM

Anything could happen I guess, I just think O-Gun is a long shot.

Shane · 08-08-2004, 02:22 AM

I agree with the sentiment that we can't afford to trade Rod Gardner. Yes, Laveranues Coles could be out at any minute. His injury recovery seems fragile and I think he might have been wise to get that surgery.

I think that adding a player like Ogunleye is more likely after the season. We don't have to solve all of our problems in one year and if we try to hard to do so, we may hurt ourselves in the long run.

08-07-2004, 10:06 PM	#7
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	plus we will get the money back for Walt Harris. We could afford him, I dont knwo if getting rid of Gardner is the best move though, Coles could go down at anytime with his toe. Jacobs is injured all the time, thrash is not a starting receiver.. that would leave us with that, McCants and Thrash at 1 and 2 if we trade Gardner and Coles goes down? Not a situation I want to be in. Expeciallsy ien out linebackers seem to be getting a lot of pressure. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

08-07-2004, 11:01 PM	#9
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08-08-2004, 01:43 AM	#14
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08-07-2004, 08:01 PM	#1
Skinzfan_26 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8	Ogunleye chances back now? Williams retired.bostons out for season,they need offense and we have gardener to give away.How does that sound gardener for wale or gardener and betts for wale?

08-07-2004, 08:26 PM	#2
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	We have Gardener to give away? No we don't!!! He's a proven 1000 yard catcher no one else on the roster besides Coles is. No my friend, the season is upon us and we don't have Gardener to give away.

08-07-2004, 08:27 PM	#3
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	man what did Miami ever do to deserve this?? i'd be more than willing to trade 50/50 for Ogun now that they need a reciever, but i'd imagine Ogun is Miami's best asset right now, and they'd save it for a back since their offense/playbook is more tuned to that than passing.

08-07-2004, 08:32 PM	#4
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 41 Posts: 138	At this point in the offseason i think Gibbs is smart enough to leave the team intact, hes not dumb like danny

08-07-2004, 09:03 PM	#5
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	The guy want's a max contract, I don't see how we could sign him.

08-07-2004, 10:50 PM	#8
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 63 Posts: 130	I don't like the idea of giving up Gardner right when he is developing into a quality WR. I look for him to be in the Monk roll. While Coles will be in the Clark roll. Wale would be a great addition but I would rather trade next years #1 pick and let them find another WR or RB with that.

08-07-2004, 11:55 PM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	bringing in a new player that would be that far behind already would be a bit hard... williams has adapted his defense already, and having a new pass rusher means changing the defense for everyone, otherwise he wouldn't be as useful... either way, i highly doubt it'll happen.

08-08-2004, 12:21 AM	#13
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	right, but to use him effectively, you shouldn't just plug him in in place of a D linemen, and all the minicamps are done etc... it can be done, but every day later makes it less likely. If you going to get him and play him as if he were upshaw quality... well, that's a waste of his talent. and ramsey's missed camp cost him, it took him a while to recover from that.

08-08-2004, 02:22 AM	#15
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	I agree with the sentiment that we can't afford to trade Rod Gardner. Yes, Laveranues Coles could be out at any minute. His injury recovery seems fragile and I think he might have been wise to get that surgery. I think that adding a player like Ogunleye is more likely after the season. We don't have to solve all of our problems in one year and if we try to hard to do so, we may hurt ourselves in the long run.

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