Carolina Questions

SmootSmack · 08-15-2004, 02:28 AM

Hey everyone I missed the game Saturday night, I've seen the box score but I had a few questions that I was hoping y'all could answer:

1.) How did Kenyatta look at RT?

2.) How bad did Ramsey and Hasselbeck really look?

3.) Does John Simon have a realistic shot at making the team?

4.) Has Gari Scott emerged as the 6th receiver to join Coles, Gardner, Jacobs, McCants and Thrash?

That Guy · 08-15-2004, 03:33 AM

kenyatta was fine overall, the QBs weren't completely totally awful, but none of them could complete a pass to save their lives... hasslebeck ran for 15 and a first down, the next play he could have run for 15 again, but instead went 4-5 foward and throw it incomplete

simon definately looks like he'll make it, he can return, he can run... scott's looked very good too, and lemons (on D) made plays every time he was put in as well.

I haven't seen betts or morton play though, which is kind of odd

SKINSnCANES · 08-15-2004, 03:55 AM

betts is hurt. and last time I checked i didnt think Morton was but I guess so.

Hey smoot, skin through the big thread from during the game. Redskinrat, myself and a few others put up some play by play and info during the game. None of us were watching, except for part of the second qtr that was on the NFL network, but were listenign to the game.

That Guy · 08-15-2004, 04:16 AM

i saw the entire thing, it was very slow and painful to watch.. sloppy... if you saw smoot or taylor, they brought their game tonight.

Hogskin · 08-15-2004, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

I haven't seen betts or morton play though, which is kind of odd

Betts is hurt and Morton took himself out of the game because of his ankle.

Beemnseven · 08-15-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

kenyatta was fine overall, the QBs weren't completely totally awful, but none of them could complete a pass to save their lives... hasslebeck ran for 15 and a first down, the next play he could have run for 15 again, but instead went 4-5 foward and throw it incomplete

simon definately looks like he'll make it, he can return, he can run... scott's looked very good too, and lemons (on D) made plays every time he was put in as well.

I haven't seen betts or morton play though, which is kind of odd

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Bergman14 · 08-15-2004, 10:26 AM

John Simon had one really nice return in the second half, he looked like an experienced solid returner (though he did get tackled by the kicker)

MonkManiac · 08-15-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

Hey everyone I missed the game Saturday night, I've seen the box score but I had a few questions that I was hoping y'all could answer:

1.) How did Kenyatta look at RT?

2.) How bad did Ramsey and Hasselbeck really look?

3.) Does John Simon have a realistic shot at making the team?

4.) Has Gari Scott emerged as the 6th receiver to join Coles, Gardner, Jacobs, McCants and Thrash?

1) You know, KT didn't do as badly as I thought he would. Peppers did get by him on one play for a sack, but if you actually watched the play it really looked more like the RG didn't bix him up coming inside (this is what the WP reported this morning as well). Otherwise, KT looked like a starter. He was not the problem in terms of the lack of holes for the RBs; that was a problem pretty much across the board.

2) Ramsey looked very bad at the beginning. Two fumbled snaps, one pick, and most of his throws were either two hard or unneccessarily overthrown. He looked nervous, tentative, and just plain bad at times. Still, I think there is a silver lining here; after Ramsey took a big shot from either a DE or LB coming off the right side, I think he really seemed to calm down. He made two very nice completions to Lavernues Coles (who came up limping after both, I'm really worried about him), and looked somewhat like what we saw at the beginning of last season, if only for awhile. My guess is that this guy is just flat-out gunshy after getting pulverized last year. If we don't see significant improvement in the next preseason game, though, I'd be more concerned.

3) He has to. He looked very good on a couple of returns (was Chad Morton injured?), though we didn't see much of him at RB. Rock Cartwright, except for one run, looked bad. He looked slow hitting the holes, and entirely too tentative for a second or third string defense. I think he will be the first RB to get cut, because let's face it, he's not a natural RB. He's an FB, and there is no true FB in Gibbs' offense.

4) I say our WRs will be, in this order: Coles, Gardner, McCants, Thrash, Jacobs (if this guy shows up! He played last night, and didn't do anything), and Scott. Didn't see much of Cloman last night, and Dillard looks small, slow, and very unsure of himself.

arrington_QBkiller · 08-15-2004, 12:40 PM

Rock Cartwright will not be cut, at least he shows up for games, betts is always hurt and rock is just flat out a better back than betts is, also Rock made a few great plays on specials teams

MonkManiac · 08-15-2004, 12:43 PM

Rock doesn't fit in the Gibbs offense; he's an FB trying to be an RB because Gibbs doesn't use an FB. And when Betts is healthy, he is a far better back than Cartwright. I like Rock too, but I think he's on thin ice.

SKINSnCANES · 08-15-2004, 01:52 PM

im surprised rock hasnt tried to earn a spot as a returner. Yea we have thrash now, but I figured rock would be next before simon, since rock did do returns last year. Simon might inch out the spot before rock.

SmootSmack · 08-15-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkManiac

1) You know, KT didn't do as badly as I thought he would. Peppers did get by him on one play for a sack, but if you actually watched the play it really looked more like the RG didn't bix him up coming inside (this is what the WP reported this morning as well). Otherwise, KT looked like a starter. He was not the problem in terms of the lack of holes for the RBs; that was a problem pretty much across the board.

2) Ramsey looked very bad at the beginning. Two fumbled snaps, one pick, and most of his throws were either two hard or unneccessarily overthrown. He looked nervous, tentative, and just plain bad at times. Still, I think there is a silver lining here; after Ramsey took a big shot from either a DE or LB coming off the right side, I think he really seemed to calm down. He made two very nice completions to Lavernues Coles (who came up limping after both, I'm really worried about him), and looked somewhat like what we saw at the beginning of last season, if only for awhile. My guess is that this guy is just flat-out gunshy after getting pulverized last year. If we don't see significant improvement in the next preseason game, though, I'd be more concerned.

3) He has to. He looked very good on a couple of returns (was Chad Morton injured?), though we didn't see much of him at RB. Rock Cartwright, except for one run, looked bad. He looked slow hitting the holes, and entirely too tentative for a second or third string defense. I think he will be the first RB to get cut, because let's face it, he's not a natural RB. He's an FB, and there is no true FB in Gibbs' offense.

4) I say our WRs will be, in this order: Coles, Gardner, McCants, Thrash, Jacobs (if this guy shows up! He played last night, and didn't do anything), and Scott. Didn't see much of Cloman last night, and Dillard looks small, slow, and very unsure of himself.

Thanks Monkmaniac, and everyone else

MTK · 08-15-2004, 02:13 PM

The more time Betts misses the better chance Rock has. This story with Betts is getting a little old. Always banged up. He needs to get in there and start producing.

Beemnseven · 08-15-2004, 02:35 PM

If the quarterbacks weren't "completely totally awful" they were pretty darn close. They just aren't on the same page as the receivers. Sure, there are completions here and there, but there's no consistency, no rhythym, and there really was no progress from the HoF game to last night's game. I gave them a pass against Denver for only being in camp about a week. Now, it's been more than two weeks, and at times they look like an expansion team that hasn't even had the opportunity for minicamps. This time, Hasslebeck was equally as bad as Brunell and Ramsey.

Julius Peppers was an excellent test for Kenyatta Jones. On one particular play, Peppers delivered a blast to Jones that sent him on his heels. He did sack the QB once, and provided pressure at other times, but there was a lot of shifting along the O-line, so I can't say exactly who was lined up against Peppers every single time. Overall, it could be said that Jones held his own, and to be sure, Peppers would probably have given even Jon Jansen a lick or two.

Gari Scott and John Simon have to be giving both Taylor Jacobs and Rock Cartwright a run for their money, due mainly to their contributions on special teams. Scott seems to be able to find the ball on offense too, while there just may not be enough room on the roster for both Rock and Simon. With all the H-backs and TEs, Gibbs will certainly not be able to have six wideouts on the team.

That Guy · 08-15-2004, 06:44 PM

rock is too slow for returns with simon, scott, thrash and morton around... i bet smoot would be a better return guy than rock (smoot practices returns, rock hasn't been doing that). Rock HAS had more luck at RB than simon though, and i'm still thinking mccullough will get cut before him, simply because rock could do something against 1st strings last year and mccullough has only been doing 3rd stringers...

08-15-2004, 02:28 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Carolina Questions Hey everyone I missed the game Saturday night, I've seen the box score but I had a few questions that I was hoping y'all could answer: 1.) How did Kenyatta look at RT? 2.) How bad did Ramsey and Hasselbeck really look? 3.) Does John Simon have a realistic shot at making the team? 4.) Has Gari Scott emerged as the 6th receiver to join Coles, Gardner, Jacobs, McCants and Thrash? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-15-2004, 03:55 AM	#3
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	betts is hurt. and last time I checked i didnt think Morton was but I guess so. Hey smoot, skin through the big thread from during the game. Redskinrat, myself and a few others put up some play by play and info during the game. None of us were watching, except for part of the second qtr that was on the NFL network, but were listenign to the game. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

08-15-2004, 01:52 PM	#11
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	im surprised rock hasnt tried to earn a spot as a returner. Yea we have thrash now, but I figured rock would be next before simon, since rock did do returns last year. Simon might inch out the spot before rock. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

08-15-2004, 02:13 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	The more time Betts misses the better chance Rock has. This story with Betts is getting a little old. Always banged up. He needs to get in there and start producing. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-15-2004, 03:33 AM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	kenyatta was fine overall, the QBs weren't completely totally awful, but none of them could complete a pass to save their lives... hasslebeck ran for 15 and a first down, the next play he could have run for 15 again, but instead went 4-5 foward and throw it incomplete simon definately looks like he'll make it, he can return, he can run... scott's looked very good too, and lemons (on D) made plays every time he was put in as well. I haven't seen betts or morton play though, which is kind of odd

08-15-2004, 04:16 AM	#4
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i saw the entire thing, it was very slow and painful to watch.. sloppy... if you saw smoot or taylor, they brought their game tonight.

08-15-2004, 10:26 AM	#7
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 41 Posts: 138	John Simon had one really nice return in the second half, he looked like an experienced solid returner (though he did get tackled by the kicker)

08-15-2004, 12:40 PM	#9
arrington_QBkiller Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 43 Posts: 72	Rock Cartwright will not be cut, at least he shows up for games, betts is always hurt and rock is just flat out a better back than betts is, also Rock made a few great plays on specials teams

08-15-2004, 12:43 PM	#10
MonkManiac Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA/DC Age: 41 Posts: 180	Rock doesn't fit in the Gibbs offense; he's an FB trying to be an RB because Gibbs doesn't use an FB. And when Betts is healthy, he is a far better back than Cartwright. I like Rock too, but I think he's on thin ice.

08-15-2004, 02:35 PM	#14
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	If the quarterbacks weren't "completely totally awful" they were pretty darn close. They just aren't on the same page as the receivers. Sure, there are completions here and there, but there's no consistency, no rhythym, and there really was no progress from the HoF game to last night's game. I gave them a pass against Denver for only being in camp about a week. Now, it's been more than two weeks, and at times they look like an expansion team that hasn't even had the opportunity for minicamps. This time, Hasslebeck was equally as bad as Brunell and Ramsey. Julius Peppers was an excellent test for Kenyatta Jones. On one particular play, Peppers delivered a blast to Jones that sent him on his heels. He did sack the QB once, and provided pressure at other times, but there was a lot of shifting along the O-line, so I can't say exactly who was lined up against Peppers every single time. Overall, it could be said that Jones held his own, and to be sure, Peppers would probably have given even Jon Jansen a lick or two. Gari Scott and John Simon have to be giving both Taylor Jacobs and Rock Cartwright a run for their money, due mainly to their contributions on special teams. Scott seems to be able to find the ball on offense too, while there just may not be enough room on the roster for both Rock and Simon. With all the H-backs and TEs, Gibbs will certainly not be able to have six wideouts on the team.

08-15-2004, 06:44 PM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	rock is too slow for returns with simon, scott, thrash and morton around... i bet smoot would be a better return guy than rock (smoot practices returns, rock hasn't been doing that). Rock HAS had more luck at RB than simon though, and i'm still thinking mccullough will get cut before him, simply because rock could do something against 1st strings last year and mccullough has only been doing 3rd stringers...

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