Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

SmootSmack · 09-10-2008, 05:04 PM

This column by Thomas Boswell (another good one from Bos) got me thinking...(insert joke here)

We've talked a lot about Jason Campbell adjusting to fit the WCO, and if he can't to just cut bait with him. But should we consider the opposite? Should Zorn adjust his scheme (on more than just the occassional shotgun) to suit the skills of Campbell?

I refer back to Joe Gibbs first run as head coach as a comparison. He was brought in to add excitement to the team (particularly the offense) and implement the Air Coryell, aggressive downfield passing attack. But then he saw that he had a huge asset in Riggins and the running game and adjusted accordingly. His ability to do so ultimately made him one of the best head coaches of all time.

At what point do we/should we expect the same of Zorn? (I don't mean expect him to be one of the best all time, I mean expect him to adjust)

Soup's Uncle · 09-10-2008, 05:07 PM

Yes he should...look what happened when Joe Gibbs adapted to fit Theismann and Riggo!

MTK · 09-10-2008, 05:14 PM

To Zorn's credit he's already said he will allow JC to work out of the gun more. I think we can count this as an adjustment, because Zorn is clearly not a huge fan of the shotgun.

All in all though I really think that Zorn feels he's not asking JC to do something that he's not capable of doing.

BDBohnzie · 09-10-2008, 05:24 PM

I agree with The Ego on both his points. Coaches will adjust their systems to fit their personnel. And if they don't, those coaches find themselves looking for work...

redsk1 · 09-10-2008, 05:33 PM

No offense, SS, it's a good thread, but god I hope JC has a good game Sunday, so we can take a break from the JC s***.

firstdown · 09-10-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This column by Thomas Boswell (another good one from Bos) got me thinking...(insert joke here)

We've talked a lot about Jason Campbell adjusting to fit the WCO, and if he can't to just cut bait with him. But should we consider the opposite? Should Zorn adjust his scheme (on more than just the occassional shotgun) to suit the skills of Campbell?

I refer back to Joe Gibbs first run as head coach as a comparison. He was brought in to add excitement to the team (particularly the offense) and implement the Air Coryell, aggressive downfield passing attack. But then he saw that he had a huge asset in Riggins and the running game and adjusted accordingly. His ability to do so ultimately made him one of the best head coaches of all time.

At what point do we/should we expect the same of Zorn? (I don't mean expect him to be one of the best all time, I mean expect him to adjust)

Yea but did he really adjust or went with what worked best in his system. He just gave the ball more to Riggins then it opened up the passing game but he did not change anything more than how he called the plays. I take your question as to changing the plays themself to better fit JC which is not going to happen because Zorn believes in the system or he would not have brought it here. He could do minor things to help JC.

53Fan · 09-10-2008, 05:40 PM

Sherman Smith said they were going to put Campbell in the shot gun more because Campbell said he can see the field better. "But if he still does'nt play well, then we have a problem." Zorn has pretty much left it up to Campbell when to use it. In Zorns own words it does somewhat restrict the running game so you can't use it all the time. They will continue to make adjustments but I seriously doubt they will trash the wco. On a side note, Kelly and Thomas had very good pratices today.

53Fan · 09-10-2008, 05:42 PM

Pratices? I'm having trouble c ing today.

MTK · 09-10-2008, 05:43 PM

I really think this whole thing is being over analyzed to death too. I know it sounds like a broken record but it's been one freaking game. Can we just give him the chance to get a grasp on this new offense??

FRPLG · 09-10-2008, 05:47 PM

I agree with Matty but I do think coaches need to fit the scheme to maximize the abilities of the players. No reason that Zorn can't try to get his stuff in and as he evaluates make adjustments that need to be made.

As much as I hate Belichek this is one thing he does well. He makes his schemes fit his players...and well. It's a big reason they win.

cochise · 09-10-2008, 06:05 PM

PLEEEEEEASE. JC is 6ft what? Telling me he can't see his wr's? Has anyone thought about checking his eyesight? Time to just MAN UP!

Paintrain · 09-10-2008, 06:22 PM

The best coaches do that, adapt their style to their players. Look at the difference between Reid and Zorn.. Same coaching tree from Holmgren but Reid has always had significant deep ball components to his game because that's one of McNabb's strengths. He uses the screen more than ever (and more than most WCO teams) because it's Westbrook's strength.. Maximizing your talent to win games is what great coaching is about, not making players excel in 'your scheme'.

Daseal · 09-10-2008, 06:27 PM

The Campbell thing is being overdone in my opinion. IF Campbell sucks it up all season, look for him to be replaced via the draft for someone Zorn feels fits the west coast system a bit better. Personally, I think Campbell will be fine and be here for many years to come. I think part of the reason JC is getting ripped so hard is how confident he was acting as if the pre-season blowouts and all around meager offensive drives shouldn't be a reason for concern.

PS -- Been swamped, I still read -- havent abandoned ship after the loss =p

SmootSmack · 09-10-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

No offense, SS, it's a good thread, but god I hope JC has a good game Sunday, so we can take a break from the JC s***.

Personally, I think that he can be very good in a WCO, and especially when he has Kelly, Thomas , and even Davis in there regularly. Ultimately, Campbell is just one piece (though a large piece) of this new offense.

I agree with Matty that Campbell probably isn't being asked to do anything the coaches don't think he's capable of (to think otherwise is to imply they are setting him up for failure).

But there are plenty of people who are ready to write Campbell off now. And that's fine, I think that's extreme, but their opinion. But before they do, I just wanted to ask simply "What Should Zorn Do?"

firstdown · 09-10-2008, 06:32 PM

How come JC can see the guy 5 yards infront of the line but cannot see a guy 18 yards down field. It sounds like he has selective seeing.

09-10-2008, 05:04 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? This column by Thomas Boswell (another good one from Bos) got me thinking...(insert joke here) We've talked a lot about Jason Campbell adjusting to fit the WCO, and if he can't to just cut bait with him. But should we consider the opposite? Should Zorn adjust his scheme (on more than just the occassional shotgun) to suit the skills of Campbell? I refer back to Joe Gibbs first run as head coach as a comparison. He was brought in to add excitement to the team (particularly the offense) and implement the Air Coryell, aggressive downfield passing attack. But then he saw that he had a huge asset in Riggins and the running game and adjusted accordingly. His ability to do so ultimately made him one of the best head coaches of all time. At what point do we/should we expect the same of Zorn? (I don't mean expect him to be one of the best all time, I mean expect him to adjust) __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-10-2008, 05:07 PM	#2
Soup's Uncle Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Damascus, MD Posts: 354	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? Yes he should...look what happened when Joe Gibbs adapted to fit Theismann and Riggo! __________________ "No one runs on the Cowboys" - Wade Phillips Incorrect Wade...the Burgundy and Gold just ran all over you.

09-10-2008, 05:14 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? To Zorn's credit he's already said he will allow JC to work out of the gun more. I think we can count this as an adjustment, because Zorn is clearly not a huge fan of the shotgun. All in all though I really think that Zorn feels he's not asking JC to do something that he's not capable of doing. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-10-2008, 05:24 PM	#4
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I agree with The Ego on both his points. Coaches will adjust their systems to fit their personnel. And if they don't, those coaches find themselves looking for work... __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

09-10-2008, 05:33 PM	#5
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? No offense, SS, it's a good thread, but god I hope JC has a good game Sunday, so we can take a break from the JC s***.

09-10-2008, 05:40 PM	#7
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? Sherman Smith said they were going to put Campbell in the shot gun more because Campbell said he can see the field better. "But if he still does'nt play well, then we have a problem." Zorn has pretty much left it up to Campbell when to use it. In Zorns own words it does somewhat restrict the running game so you can't use it all the time. They will continue to make adjustments but I seriously doubt they will trash the wco. On a side note, Kelly and Thomas had very good pratices today.

09-10-2008, 05:42 PM	#8
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? Pratices? I'm having trouble c ing today.

09-10-2008, 05:43 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I really think this whole thing is being over analyzed to death too. I know it sounds like a broken record but it's been one freaking game. Can we just give him the chance to get a grasp on this new offense?? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-10-2008, 05:47 PM	#10
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I agree with Matty but I do think coaches need to fit the scheme to maximize the abilities of the players. No reason that Zorn can't try to get his stuff in and as he evaluates make adjustments that need to be made. As much as I hate Belichek this is one thing he does well. He makes his schemes fit his players...and well. It's a big reason they win.

09-10-2008, 06:05 PM	#11
cochise Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 73	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? PLEEEEEEASE. JC is 6ft what? Telling me he can't see his wr's? Has anyone thought about checking his eyesight? Time to just MAN UP!

09-10-2008, 06:22 PM	#12
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? The best coaches do that, adapt their style to their players. Look at the difference between Reid and Zorn.. Same coaching tree from Holmgren but Reid has always had significant deep ball components to his game because that's one of McNabb's strengths. He uses the screen more than ever (and more than most WCO teams) because it's Westbrook's strength.. Maximizing your talent to win games is what great coaching is about, not making players excel in 'your scheme'. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-10-2008, 06:27 PM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? The Campbell thing is being overdone in my opinion. IF Campbell sucks it up all season, look for him to be replaced via the draft for someone Zorn feels fits the west coast system a bit better. Personally, I think Campbell will be fine and be here for many years to come. I think part of the reason JC is getting ripped so hard is how confident he was acting as if the pre-season blowouts and all around meager offensive drives shouldn't be a reason for concern. PS -- Been swamped, I still read -- havent abandoned ship after the loss =p __________________ Best. Player. Available.

09-10-2008, 06:32 PM	#15
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? How come JC can see the guy 5 yards infront of the line but cannot see a guy 18 yards down field. It sounds like he has selective seeing.

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