Brees named AP offensive player of year

[MTK]

New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees wins AP offensive player of year - ESPN

Hard to argue with this one.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees wins AP offensive player of year - ESPN

Hard to argue with this one.

^^^ give it a while

[Schneed10]

Damn, Devin Thomas got jobbed.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees wins AP offensive player of year - ESPN

Hard to argue with this one.

Talk about a guy who doesn't give a rats ass who his receivers are. He just gets the job done. Didn't have good wide outs in San Diego and kept on ticking all year regardless of who was or wasn't in the game.

I hope the Skins stay away from all NO receivers in the future. It's all a mirage. Brees can make any WR look world class.

[Paintrain]

Interesting comment on Sportscenter about this-How does Peyton Manning win the MVP but not offensive player of the year?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Talk about a guy who doesn't give a rats ass who his receivers are. He just gets the job done. Didn't have good wide outs in San Diego and kept on ticking all year regardless of who was or wasn't in the game.

I hope the Skins stay away from all NO receivers in the future. It's all a mirage. Brees can make any WR look world class.

I would agree with the exception of Marques Colston. That guy is a stud.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Interesting comment on Sportscenter about this-How does Peyton Manning win the MVP but not offensive player of the year?

Well, Manning led a team with an average defense and no running game on a 9 game winning streak, despite coming off pretty serious knee surgery that kept him out of training camp and had him hobbled the first few weeks of the regular season.

But Manning's stats don't really measure up with Brees this year. Brees was like 15 yards away from breaking the single season passing record. He torches everyone. I think if the Saints hadn't finished last in their division and made the playoffs, Brees would have been MVP.

[dmek25]

like i said before, Brees should have been league M.V.P

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I would agree with the exception of Marques Colston. That guy is a stud.

I won't argue that, although I think it can be argued. I was just making the point that even when Colston was out with injury, Brees kept plugging away and their offense kept putting up points. I believe there was even a David Patten sighting in New Orleans

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Interesting comment on Sportscenter about this-How does Peyton Manning win the MVP but not offensive player of the year?

The definitions of the two awards are different. Offensive Player of the Year is given based almost solely on statistics. Under that logic, Brees and his 5000 yard season definitely gets the nod.

The definition of MVP is debatable, but most voters tend to weigh heavily on the importance of the player to his team. So it's a different thought process.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The definitions of the two awards are different. Offensive Player of the Year is given based almost solely on statistics. Under that logic, Brees and his 5000 yard season definitely gets the nod.

The definition of MVP is debatable, but most voters tend to weigh heavily on the importance of the player to his team. So it's a different thought process.

i agree, but it is turning into a joke. what would the skins record be without Clinton Portis? or London Fletcher? the saints are probably a 4 win team without Brees

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i agree, but it is turning into a joke. what would the skins record be without Clinton Portis? or London Fletcher? the saints are probably a 4 win team without Brees

I don't think we have had any one player with impressive stats to be either defensive or offensive player of the year. Brees had the stats and won offensive player of the year. Manning singlehandedly carried his team to a good record and the playoffs, so he's the most valuable player in a team that made the playoffs.

I don't see how any of these awards are turning into a joke. Now Pro Bowl selections, those are jokes.

[GTripp0012]

I think value to a team can be measured two ways.

The way I would measure it for the MVP is by play. Peyton Manning deserved this award because he was more valuable on a play-by-play basis than Drew Brees was. Literally having more value, because plays where he had the ball in his hands were worth more points, or yards, or wins or whatever measure you prefer than Brees' were.

Brees deserved offensive POY because he was a larger part of his teams' offense than Manning was of his. Not more valuable, necessarily, but ended up doing more (a higher quantity) of winning plays than Manning did, simply by virtue of oppertunity.

And I agree that in a bunch of years, these will often be the same player. But Brees threw 650+ times for more than 5,000 yards. Even though he wasn't as valuable as Manning, I have no problem at all with them deeming him the offensive player of the year.

Of course, in reality, these awards aren't nearly as well defined as I just made them, so they pretty much eliminate the MVP from consideration in the Offensive POY.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, Manning led a team with an average defense and no running game on a 9 game winning streak, despite coming off pretty serious knee surgery that kept him out of training camp and had him hobbled the first few weeks of the regular season.

But Manning's stats don't really measure up with Brees this year. Brees was like 15 yards away from breaking the single season passing record. He torches everyone. I think if the Saints hadn't finished last in their division and made the playoffs, Brees would have been MVP.

Brees was also intercepted on the road with a Favre-ian kind of efficiency, so I think Manning was more valuable by virtue of that.

Manning might have been better per attempt as well, though I really don't want to look it up right now. Any QB who throws as many times as Brees did with put up an obscene amount of yards...given though, that 5,000 yards is far beyond obscene.

[Defensewins]

The NFL MVP award really needs to be awarded after the playoffs. The most important part of the season has not even been played yet. The level of play increases in the playoffs. Playoffs are a better test of the superior level of play of a certain player.
The fact that Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu or another defensive player was not even mentioned as a possible finalist makes it just like the Heisman award in college.....a QB award.