I Thought It Takes 2 Years To Learn The WCO

[firstdown]

We all talk about Snyder not showing any patients but what are all the fans now doing? When Zorn was hired all the talk was it takes 2 years for the O to learn and get down the timing of the WCO. Joe T. and others said over and over again it takes 2 years and fans need to be patient. We are 4 weeks into the season not even close to having two years in the system and now everyone is jumping ship. Just a thought.

[SmootSmack]

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

[KLHJ2]

The fans of the Washinton Redskins are impatient, always have been impatient, and always will be impatient. People in DC want instant gratification on the football field just as they experience in their every day lives. When things don't work the way we expect immediately, we want to change it. It is the attitude that comes with the town. The only way to counter the fans attitude of the DC area is to ignore it and be patient. Kind of hard to do when you (the owner) are a fan who was raised in this town.

If I can become a millionaire in a year, then why can't I win a Superbowl in a year?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

I think that there has been progress. It just hasn't translated into points and wins yet. If the Skins stay the course, they can get there.

[dan_snyder69]

yea like smootsmack said, the problem is no progress has been shown. If anything, regression. That regression can probably be attributed to the declining talent of our o-line since our 6-2 start last year, but regardless of the reason, we are still declining.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

I think that there has been progress. It just hasn't translated into points and wins yet. If the Skins stay the course, they can get there.

I've seen progress moving the ball but like you said not in scoring which will lead to those wins. The toughest place to run any system is in the red zone and thats where I see our biggest problem and that is where the timing is most crucial. If they can improve on that then those losses we have had are wins.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We all talk about Snyder not showing any patients but what are all the fans now doing? When Zorn was hired all the talk was it takes 2 years for the O to learn and get down the timing of the WCO. Joe T. and others said over and over again it takes 2 years and fans need to be patient. We are 4 weeks into the season not even close to having two years in the system and now everyone is jumping ship. Just a thought.

i dont think EVERYONE is jumping ship, unless cultbrennan69 = everyone. alot of us may bitch and moan about JC or JZ in some-what knee jerk reactions to what we see, but i think most of us (based on whats posted on the warpath) are willing to give them both the rest of the season to show signs of progress.

go skins!!

[Chico23231]

How long does it take to learn how to call proper plays? How long does it take to make in and out game adjustments as a head coach in order to win games? How long does it take to learn to motivate and lead a team? How long should I wait to see progression in an offense?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

I definitely think we have seen progress in Campbell; however I don't think its enough to justify signing him to a big contract... especially given that he would likely be starting over and learning a new offensive system next year if he stayed in 2010.

[FRPLG]

I am less concerned about the system because we all know it can work. I am more concerned about the fact that we apparently only have one player on offense who is a difference maker. Let's face it: JC certainly hasn't been a world beater, Portis looks old, the linemen range from simply average to old, Sellers has looked like an ordinary fullback and the WRs look not very good to old. Only Cooley is any good right now. The problem isn't so much the system or play calling really as it is talent I think. And knowing the system will cover up a lack of talent only so much.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's not like at the end of two years you suddenly have learned it. The expectation is that you see progress over the course of a year and a half. Have we seen that progress?

Are you sure? My understanding was that you start off great for about eight games, get progressively worse for the next 23 and then kick ass on the 32nd.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Angry

I think that there has been progress. It just hasn't translated into points and wins yet. If the Skins stay the course, they can get there.

You must be kidding, this team and coaching staff are lost. If not where exactly do you see this progress?

If the SKINS stay this course this massive train wreck will continue for a LONG TIME. Changes are needed. This job is way over Zorns head.

[Redskin Warrior]

I think the true problem with us is before Lewis came on board yesterday who had experience in the WCO besides Zorn? I don't think anyone has therefore i'm not convinced all the coaches know what they are coaching. Other coaches bring in Cam Cameron, Dom Capers, Mike Nolan & etc. All previous coaches who had experience and know what they are doing.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Angry

I think that there has been progress. It just hasn't translated into points and wins yet. If the Skins stay the course, they can get there.

Staying the course wouldnt have saved the Titanic from sinking and it won't help this team. At some point, its time to abandon ship and get on another boat, so to speak. Whether that process starts after the bye week or at the end of the season, it doesnt change the fact that this ship is sinking under Zorns leadership. Hiring him as HC was one of the biggest mistakes this franchsise has made in its history. Staying the course any longer than necessary won't change that fact. Someone else will be coaching the skins in 2010. We can either start laying the groundwork for that now, or wait until the seasons over and "blow everything up." It needs to happen. Its going to happen. Staying the course is not an option.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

You must be kidding, this team and coaching staff are lost. If not where exactly do you see this progress?

If the SKINS stay this course this is a massive train wreck any or should I say EVERY Sunday.

I remember when the Redskins couldn't move the ball against anyone much less score. Now they can move the ball, they still can't score.

Going back to 04 the Washington Redskins have improved in Total offensive yards every season until last year. With the slight decline comming because of the changing of the offensive scheme. Right now the Skins are averaging more offensive yards this year than any in the Joe Gibbs 2.0. The points per game have been terrible since 2004 and have been on the decline since 2005. So while we are seeing an increase of offensive production in terms of yardage we are still lacking in the scoring department. In other words there is improvement it just hasn't translated into points and wins yet.

2004 YPG (274) PPG (15)
2005 YPG (330) PPG (22.4)
2006 YPG (327) PPG (19.2)
2007 YPG (334) PPG (20.9)
2008 YPG (320) PPG (16.6)
2009 YPG (352) PPG (14)


To answer your question I am not joking.