Short memories from angry fans

Defensewins · 10-13-2004, 01:59 PM

I think we have a ton of angry redskin fans that expected Gibbs to walk in and make this team instantly a playoff team.
I can't believe some of the shit I have read the last few weeks. I have stayed away because I am not going to try and reason with such negative talk. I actually read where someone said we were better off with Spurrier. LOL
Our record may not show it, but we are playing a much more sound and disciplined football. I think the negative fans that are angry at Gibbs have a real short memory about last year. So far the Skins have only lost by small margins:

2004
W 16 - 10
L 14 - 20
L 18 - 21
L 13 - 17
L 10 - 17

But in 2003 we had some real ugly games:

L 13-35 to Tampa Bay on Oct. 12th
L 7-24 to Buffalo on Oct. 19th
L 0-27 to F-ing DALLAS on Dec. 14th
L 7-31 to Philly on Dec. 27th

Just thought I would remind some that last year was much worse, especially the coaching, schemes and play.

offiss · 10-13-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think we have a ton of angry redskin fans that expected Gibbs to walk in and make this team instantly a playoff team.
I can't believe some of the shit I have read the last few weeks. I have stayed away because I am not going to try and reason with such negative talk. I actually read where someone said we were better off with Spurrier. LOL
Our record may not show it, but we are playing a much more sound and disciplined football. I think the negative fans that are angry at Gibbs have a real short memory about last year. So far the Skins have only lost by small margins:

2004
W 16 - 10
L 14 - 20
L 18 - 21
L 13 - 17
L 10 - 17

But in 2003 we had some real ugly games:

L 13-35 to Tampa Bay on Oct. 12th
L 7-24 to Buffalo on Oct. 19th
L 0-27 to F-ing DALLAS on Dec. 14th
L 7-31 to Philly on Dec. 27th

Just thought I would remind some that last year was much worse, especially the coaching, schemes and play.

No doubt DW, I just think the anomosity comes from our utter incompentensy of our offense, and where the blame lies, sorry for stating the obvious.

VTSkins897 · 10-13-2004, 02:38 PM

can't blame the fans for getting angry though. it's our right to criticize whoever we want. i for one don't let the losing get me down. if they can't get their crap together that's their problem. sports are supposed to be for entertainment, and i have mastered the art of not worrying too much about the down times, save for a bit here and there.

don't worry it'll get better!

GO SKINS!

redsk1 · 10-13-2004, 03:05 PM

I agree. I think alot of people have unrealistic expectations for a roster, that even though its talented, has a TON of new starters (especially on defense). We are much better off now. With that being said, i have questioned some of the offensive schemes, but I am sure Joe Gibbs knows a lot more about football than I do...

SoCalSkinsFan · 10-13-2004, 06:28 PM

Angry? Damn right Skins fans are angry, as we should be. The past 12 (yes, TWELVE) years have been miserable. But I still love them as much as ever! Is that sad or just plain sadistic?

Defensewins is correct that there is progress being shown, if losing by less is considered progress. I think they’re less sound and less disciplined considering the experience at both the player and coaching levels. They’ve also been very fortunate to even be in those “close” games.

Bottom line, we still have no timeouts when they are most desperately needed, we commit way too many penalties and turnovers, our QB's are either crushed on every other play or one-hop their throws to the receivers, Gibbs even hired a "specialist" to review plays in order to "wisely" make use of the challenges, the OL is just as confused as they have ever been, the secondary still can't tackle (with the exception of a few outstanding tackles by Springs), kicking is so-so, but not worth the $$ Hall is getting, punting is horrendous as usual, blah, blah, blah....all in the name of progress. At least the Redskinettes have been upgraded significantly! That much is true.

Sorry for the rant, but Gibbs can and probably will right the ship, but it’s the same story year after year. Norv, Marty and Spurrier all had the same issues. In fact, its been that way in most of the 30 years I’ve been a fan. Losing by less and getting worse in some areas is nothing that any of us expected and all indications are that it won’t get better for a while. ANY coach should get 8 wins out of this bunch. Is it the character of players that are drafted/acquired or is it just bad luck? I'm not ready to write the season off, but I am tired (and angry) that the team I love so much has come to resemble the Seattle Seahawks. Over the past dozen years they're about the same, except we pay a lot more for our brand of mediocrity.

Daseal · 10-13-2004, 07:15 PM

I'd hope the highest paid coaching staff in football could outdo the least experienced coaching staff in football.

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 10-13-2004, 07:25 PM

i do'nt want to piss anybody off,but it seems to me most of the guys here can't really remember what gibbs did the first time around because,well they were just

little kids at the time.people pick and make fun of my grammar and errors,but when i say something back i'm the world's#1 prick.that's why i have'nt been coming around as often,i'm tired of all that horse hockey.i do'nt know it all,but when it comes to the redskins,i damn sure know a lot.

cpayne5 · 10-13-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINFAN63

i do'nt want to piss anybody off,but it seems to me most of the guys here can't really remember what gibbs did the first time around because,well they were just

little kids at the time.people pick and make fun of my grammar and errors,but when i say something back i'm the world's#1 prick.that's why i have'nt been coming around as often,i'm tired of all that horse hockey.i do'nt know it all,but when it comes to the redskins,i damn sure know a lot.

I agree.

Unfortunately, most people are live by this motto these days: 'what have you done for me lately?'. JG really hasn't done much lately, and I can't really say that I expect some of the people on here to do anything but blow up like they have. That's what they do, and as a long time member of the Warpath, you really shouldn't expect anything different from these people. As far as I'm concerned, JG could lose every game for 5 years straight and he still wouldn't be able to erase all the positive things he gave this city the first go around. He has compiled 1/4 of the wins, 3/3 SB titles, and 4/5 SB apperances in 1/7 of the team's history, for goodness sakes. If it weren't for him, how many of us would even be fans today? (I would, but that's beyond the point...)

As for your grammar, God yes it's rough at times. I know from personal experience that a lot of the times I don't even read your posts because I have to interpret what you're trying to say. I'm not trying to embarrass you or point you out (after all, you did bring it up), I just think that before you hit the 'Post Quick Reply' button, it would help us all (including yourself) if you would just go back through and maybe clarify some things.

cpayne5 · 10-13-2004, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

it would help us all (including yourself) if you would just go back through and maybe clarify some things.

What I mean by this is that it would boost your credibility (and readability) a bit and not turn people off to your posts. I know it shouldn't, but appearance does make the man sometimes, if you catch my drift.

wolfeskins · 10-13-2004, 08:03 PM

i dont think any of us "angry redskins fans" have a short memoryat all, when it comes to the skins.we have a long memory,a memory of alot of losses and a few wins over the last 12 years.when the team we love so much is playing bad ,who better to talk too and vent your frustrations with ,than other skins fans.when the skins start playing better, and i believe that will be soon, you'll see alot more positive talk on this site

4TH RING · 10-13-2004, 11:03 PM

I think if you're a true Redskin fan you have to be frustrated with the way things have gone so far. I also think it's unfair to be comparing our team this year (granted it's been very disappointing) to our teams of the past 12 seasons. What I mean is we should give coach Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Afterall He inherited a mediocre team (5-11) that's had some key injuries on both sides of the ball. Before we start crucifying him let's be fair & realistic and let him make his adjustments. He's been away for 11 years and it's only 5 games into the season. I'm confident that at the end of the season this team will not resemble the teams of the past 12 seasons. I sure hope it'll come sooner rather than later.

skinsguy · 10-13-2004, 11:11 PM

A true Redskins fan will be upset that we're not 5-0, but a true Redskins fan will find positives amongst the miserable.

wolfeskins · 10-13-2004, 11:31 PM

i'm not trying to compare this team to the teams of the past 12 years. i'm saying over the past 12 years the skins have not done as well as i and i'm sure many others, have hoped and so far this year isn't any different.i agree with skinsguy that a true redskins fan will find positives amongst the miserables but it's pretty normal to point out the negatives when your team is playing bad.

SoCalSkinsFan · 10-14-2004, 12:32 AM

Listen, I just needed to vent. I think things are looking up if in no other way than the optimism that has been around since before preseason. The Skins can do it, I'm positive. But my beef was that some people think that it’s so much better than last year or that you need to be 50 years old to appreciate what Gibbs CAN do. We all know what he can do, regardless of age or how bad/good it has looked this far. There is still a lot of work to do for Gibbs and Co. I'd rather face facts that we aren't that good than think miracle is about to happen. I’ve been let down too many times over the past decade, that's all. And pointing out the negatives only shows what has to be done to get better. Heaven knows that if somehow they were 4-1 now, half the board would be making their reservations for Jacksonville and that's not terribly realistic either.

4TH RING · 10-14-2004, 09:31 AM

I wasn't trying to sugarcoat anything. I mean our record is what it is (1-4) 3 games behind the eagles (cellar of our division) and we're only 5 games into the season. We have a offense that can't move the ball. Our special teams continues to be outplayed. A lot of penalties, bad replay challenges, poor clock management, and turnovers that at this point in the season we're not able to overcome.

My point was that Gibbs is going to have problems adjusting. Twelve years away from the game has'nt helped him, thats obvious. But you can't argue his record, it speaks for itself as cpayne 5 has stated. And IMO you have to give a coach at least 2 seasons to turn a franchise around.

10-13-2004, 07:25 PM	#7
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	i do'nt want to piss anybody off,but it seems to me most of the guys here can't really remember what gibbs did the first time around because,well they were just little kids at the time.people pick and make fun of my grammar and errors,but when i say something back i'm the world's#1 prick.that's why i have'nt been coming around as often,i'm tired of all that horse hockey.i do'nt know it all,but when it comes to the redskins,i damn sure know a lot. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

10-13-2004, 01:59 PM	#1
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Short memories from angry fans I think we have a ton of angry redskin fans that expected Gibbs to walk in and make this team instantly a playoff team. I can't believe some of the shit I have read the last few weeks. I have stayed away because I am not going to try and reason with such negative talk. I actually read where someone said we were better off with Spurrier. LOL Our record may not show it, but we are playing a much more sound and disciplined football. I think the negative fans that are angry at Gibbs have a real short memory about last year. So far the Skins have only lost by small margins: 2004 W 16 - 10 L 14 - 20 L 18 - 21 L 13 - 17 L 10 - 17 But in 2003 we had some real ugly games: L 13-35 to Tampa Bay on Oct. 12th L 7-24 to Buffalo on Oct. 19th L 0-27 to F-ing DALLAS on Dec. 14th L 7-31 to Philly on Dec. 27th Just thought I would remind some that last year was much worse, especially the coaching, schemes and play.

10-13-2004, 02:38 PM	#3
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	can't blame the fans for getting angry though. it's our right to criticize whoever we want. i for one don't let the losing get me down. if they can't get their crap together that's their problem. sports are supposed to be for entertainment, and i have mastered the art of not worrying too much about the down times, save for a bit here and there. don't worry it'll get better! GO SKINS!

10-13-2004, 03:05 PM	#4
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	I agree. I think alot of people have unrealistic expectations for a roster, that even though its talented, has a TON of new starters (especially on defense). We are much better off now. With that being said, i have questioned some of the offensive schemes, but I am sure Joe Gibbs knows a lot more about football than I do...

10-13-2004, 06:28 PM	#5
SoCalSkinsFan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Age: 55 Posts: 13	Angry? Damn right Skins fans are angry, as we should be. The past 12 (yes, TWELVE) years have been miserable. But I still love them as much as ever! Is that sad or just plain sadistic? Defensewins is correct that there is progress being shown, if losing by less is considered progress. I think they’re less sound and less disciplined considering the experience at both the player and coaching levels. They’ve also been very fortunate to even be in those “close” games. Bottom line, we still have no timeouts when they are most desperately needed, we commit way too many penalties and turnovers, our QB's are either crushed on every other play or one-hop their throws to the receivers, Gibbs even hired a "specialist" to review plays in order to "wisely" make use of the challenges, the OL is just as confused as they have ever been, the secondary still can't tackle (with the exception of a few outstanding tackles by Springs), kicking is so-so, but not worth the $$ Hall is getting, punting is horrendous as usual, blah, blah, blah....all in the name of progress. At least the Redskinettes have been upgraded significantly! That much is true. Sorry for the rant, but Gibbs can and probably will right the ship, but it’s the same story year after year. Norv, Marty and Spurrier all had the same issues. In fact, its been that way in most of the 30 years I’ve been a fan. Losing by less and getting worse in some areas is nothing that any of us expected and all indications are that it won’t get better for a while. ANY coach should get 8 wins out of this bunch. Is it the character of players that are drafted/acquired or is it just bad luck? I'm not ready to write the season off, but I am tired (and angry) that the team I love so much has come to resemble the Seattle Seahawks. Over the past dozen years they're about the same, except we pay a lot more for our brand of mediocrity.

10-13-2004, 07:15 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I'd hope the highest paid coaching staff in football could outdo the least experienced coaching staff in football.

10-13-2004, 08:03 PM	#10
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	i dont think any of us "angry redskins fans" have a short memoryat all, when it comes to the skins.we have a long memory,a memory of alot of losses and a few wins over the last 12 years.when the team we love so much is playing bad ,who better to talk too and vent your frustrations with ,than other skins fans.when the skins start playing better, and i believe that will be soon, you'll see alot more positive talk on this site

10-13-2004, 11:03 PM	#11
4TH RING Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 129	I think if you're a true Redskin fan you have to be frustrated with the way things have gone so far. I also think it's unfair to be comparing our team this year (granted it's been very disappointing) to our teams of the past 12 seasons. What I mean is we should give coach Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Afterall He inherited a mediocre team (5-11) that's had some key injuries on both sides of the ball. Before we start crucifying him let's be fair & realistic and let him make his adjustments. He's been away for 11 years and it's only 5 games into the season. I'm confident that at the end of the season this team will not resemble the teams of the past 12 seasons. I sure hope it'll come sooner rather than later.

10-13-2004, 11:11 PM	#12
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	A true Redskins fan will be upset that we're not 5-0, but a true Redskins fan will find positives amongst the miserable.

10-13-2004, 11:31 PM	#13
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	i'm not trying to compare this team to the teams of the past 12 years. i'm saying over the past 12 years the skins have not done as well as i and i'm sure many others, have hoped and so far this year isn't any different.i agree with skinsguy that a true redskins fan will find positives amongst the miserables but it's pretty normal to point out the negatives when your team is playing bad.

10-14-2004, 12:32 AM	#14
SoCalSkinsFan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Age: 55 Posts: 13	Listen, I just needed to vent. I think things are looking up if in no other way than the optimism that has been around since before preseason. The Skins can do it, I'm positive. But my beef was that some people think that it’s so much better than last year or that you need to be 50 years old to appreciate what Gibbs CAN do. We all know what he can do, regardless of age or how bad/good it has looked this far. There is still a lot of work to do for Gibbs and Co. I'd rather face facts that we aren't that good than think miracle is about to happen. I’ve been let down too many times over the past decade, that's all. And pointing out the negatives only shows what has to be done to get better. Heaven knows that if somehow they were 4-1 now, half the board would be making their reservations for Jacksonville and that's not terribly realistic either.

10-14-2004, 09:31 AM	#15
4TH RING Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 129	I wasn't trying to sugarcoat anything. I mean our record is what it is (1-4) 3 games behind the eagles (cellar of our division) and we're only 5 games into the season. We have a offense that can't move the ball. Our special teams continues to be outplayed. A lot of penalties, bad replay challenges, poor clock management, and turnovers that at this point in the season we're not able to overcome. My point was that Gibbs is going to have problems adjusting. Twelve years away from the game has'nt helped him, thats obvious. But you can't argue his record, it speaks for itself as cpayne 5 has stated. And IMO you have to give a coach at least 2 seasons to turn a franchise around.

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