How Bad Is Brunell Really?

offiss · 10-24-2004, 08:30 PM

Well he couldn't beat the cowgirl's!

SUNRA · 10-24-2004, 08:40 PM

Not as bad as Vinny Testerverde. My question is how good are the teams the Redskins lost to?

jdlea · 10-24-2004, 09:35 PM

I think he is worse than Vinny Testaverde. The last couple of weeks he has put up impressive numbers...for a running back!!!

Gmanc711 · 10-24-2004, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Not as bad as Vinny Testerverde. My question is how good are the teams the Redskins lost to?

NYG - They are a good but not great team. I dont know the jury is still out on them, but they are better than I thought, thats for sure.
DAL - They suck. They are a bad football team at this point, even though the refs screwed us that game, we still should have won I think.
CLE - I dont know after today. They are pretty clutch at home, but still I dont think a great team, but I guess not bad.
BAL - GREAT D, TERRIBLE O.

The thing is the way we lost the games though, these might not be that bad of teams, but we were well into every game and had all the chances to win them too.

That Guy · 10-24-2004, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Not as bad as Vinny Testerverde.

except that vinny has 400 more yards, less lost yardage to sacks, less fumbles taken back for TDs, over twice as many 20+ yard throws and a 22 point higher QB rating... not to mention he was 42$million cheaper.

VTSkins897 · 10-24-2004, 10:47 PM

of course we overpay for that chump... sorry but whatever happened to keeping the ppl u get? look at the pats ditchin high-dollar bledsoe for brady... seems to have paid off...
i want to see ramsey give some spark to our O... at the very worst least he's ballin and gettin used to gibbs' o

GoSkins! · 10-24-2004, 10:49 PM

He still is not playing loose. He seems to be thinking to hard all the time. I don't think that Brunnel is that bad. I also don't think he is that good. What he is is a pretty good QB in a new system that still needs some work. Right now the offense is just not clicking. BUT, if Brunnel could hit a few of those long balls, it would be a lot nicer. Oh yeah... and stop giving it to the other team when they have a clear shot to the end zone.

Gmanc711 · 10-24-2004, 11:26 PM

[QUOTE=GoSkins!]He still is not playing loose. He seems to be thinking to hard all the time. QUOTE]

Good point. I think the reason alot of us wants Ramsey, is because he takes chances, and throws the ball downfeild. Brunell thinks too much and just throws the ball out of bounds all the time. Heres how I see it, I'd take a Ramsey 3TD/3INT day, becasue of our defense. Whoever is going to start putting up points shoudl be in there, even if it increases turnovers. The way our defense is playing, we can afford to do that at this point.

offiss · 10-25-2004, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

He still is not playing loose. He seems to be thinking to hard all the time. QUOTE]

Good point. I think the reason alot of us wants Ramsey, is because he takes chances, and throws the ball downfeild. Brunell thinks too much and just throws the ball out of bounds all the time. Heres how I see it, I'd take a Ramsey 3TD/3INT day, becasue of our defense. Whoever is going to start putting up points shoudl be in there, even if it increases turnovers. The way our defense is playing, we can afford to do that at this point.

You hit the nail on the head Gman, we can overcome a turnover here and there for the production Ramsey will bring, it's the perfect situation to let him play, the defense will allow him the chance to learn and progress, while compensating for his mistakes.

Dirtbag · 10-25-2004, 03:12 AM

Everyone keeps focusing on the quarterback, which is fine, but you have to remember Gibbs' mentality here: his first worry, when it comes to offense, is *always* how well his offensive line is playing. If the OL is tight, then the QB situation usually resolves itself. The line isn't doing all that great these days, and it's clear that Gibbs is more worried about that than anything else. When reporters ask him about Brunell's poor start, Gibbs usually dodges the question and talks about pass protection.

For the record, I hope Ramsey starts soon. I love that kid--he's such a gamer and plays with a lot of heart, and he's got a gun of an arm.

offiss · 10-25-2004, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag

Everyone keeps focusing on the quarterback, which is fine, but you have to remember Gibbs' mentality here: his first worry, when it comes to offense, is *always* how well his offensive line is playing. If the OL is tight, then the QB situation usually resolves itself. The line isn't doing all that great these days, and it's clear that Gibbs is more worried about that than anything else. When reporters ask him about Brunell's poor start, Gibbs usually dodges the question and talks about pass protection.

For the record, I hope Ramsey starts soon. I love that kid--he's such a gamer and plays with a lot of heart, and he's got a gun of an arm.

I was unable to see the game last week DB, but I know Portis ran for over 170yds. if that doesn't classify as good line play I give up, I also know that Brunell couldn't break 100yd's passing in that game as well, from what I could gather from the rest of the guy's here he had pretty good protection, that game removed all doubt about Brunell for most of us.

That Guy · 10-25-2004, 05:05 AM

he threw away with plenty of time and missed wide open receivers pretty consistantly

that's about as short a summary as i can provide for his last two games...

he had run support, he had decent playcalling, and he had time.

4TH RING · 10-25-2004, 05:40 AM

Let me start by saying I don't think we can put all the blame on Brunnell. Dropped passes, bad routes, fumbles and poor blocking have all contributed to our offensive woes.

Brunnell just compounds the problem with his poor play. Like some have already said it appears that he hasn't fully recovered from the hamstring injury and it's affecting his passes. You add to that the fact that his arm strength is not what it used to be and you get a QB whose throws sail in the air (quack quack) and who just does not look confident throwing into coverage. He's having the worst season of his career.

Our offense has become 1 dimensional and to have any shot at winning we have to run the ball effectively. Opposing defenses know this so they focus on shutting down Portis. Brunnell IMO is a big factor as to why Portis isn't putting up the same #'s he did in his first two seasons with the broncos.

Bottomline, Brunnell is the L.V.P. on offense and with the schedule getting tougher we can expect to be in games where we will have to overcome second half deficits. Anything over 14pts would be asking too much of Brunnell. With Ramsey in there, at least we'll have a chance.

By no means is the season over, not with this defense. Gibbs needs to make a change already and give us some hope.

SUNRA · 10-25-2004, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

except that vinny has 400 more yards, less lost yardage to sacks, less fumbles taken back for TDs, over twice as many 20+ yard throws and a 22 point higher QB rating... not to mention he was 42$million cheaper.

400 more yards and three going on four straight losses. With Testerverde in there they may not win another game this year.

SUNRA · 10-25-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

he threw away with plenty of time and missed wide open receivers pretty consistantly

that's about as short a summary as i can provide for his last two games...

he had run support, he had decent playcalling, and he had time.

What Brunell didn't have was pass protection. Alex Brown was manhandling our O line and consistenly flushed Brunell out of the pocket to rush his pass. It is obvious that Brunell is still suffering from the hamstring injury. He didn't plant his feet on most of his passes. If he doesn't heal within the next week, look for Tom Tupa to replace him.

Tupa looked good against the Patriots in the 1999 season opener. He threw a TD on the next play after Testerverde went down in the second quarter. Anybody but Ramsey.

10-24-2004, 08:30 PM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	How Bad Is Brunell Really? Well he couldn't beat the cowgirl's!

10-24-2004, 08:40 PM	#2
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Not as bad as Vinny Testerverde. My question is how good are the teams the Redskins lost to? __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

10-24-2004, 11:26 PM	#8
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	[QUOTE=GoSkins!]He still is not playing loose. He seems to be thinking to hard all the time. QUOTE] Good point. I think the reason alot of us wants Ramsey, is because he takes chances, and throws the ball downfeild. Brunell thinks too much and just throws the ball out of bounds all the time. Heres how I see it, I'd take a Ramsey 3TD/3INT day, becasue of our defense. Whoever is going to start putting up points shoudl be in there, even if it increases turnovers. The way our defense is playing, we can afford to do that at this point. __________________ #21

10-24-2004, 09:35 PM	#3
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	I think he is worse than Vinny Testaverde. The last couple of weeks he has put up impressive numbers...for a running back!!!

10-24-2004, 10:47 PM	#6
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	of course we overpay for that chump... sorry but whatever happened to keeping the ppl u get? look at the pats ditchin high-dollar bledsoe for brady... seems to have paid off... i want to see ramsey give some spark to our O... at the very worst least he's ballin and gettin used to gibbs' o

10-24-2004, 10:49 PM	#7
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	He still is not playing loose. He seems to be thinking to hard all the time. I don't think that Brunnel is that bad. I also don't think he is that good. What he is is a pretty good QB in a new system that still needs some work. Right now the offense is just not clicking. BUT, if Brunnel could hit a few of those long balls, it would be a lot nicer. Oh yeah... and stop giving it to the other team when they have a clear shot to the end zone.

10-25-2004, 03:12 AM	#10
Dirtbag Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 142	Everyone keeps focusing on the quarterback, which is fine, but you have to remember Gibbs' mentality here: his first worry, when it comes to offense, is always how well his offensive line is playing. If the OL is tight, then the QB situation usually resolves itself. The line isn't doing all that great these days, and it's clear that Gibbs is more worried about that than anything else. When reporters ask him about Brunell's poor start, Gibbs usually dodges the question and talks about pass protection. For the record, I hope Ramsey starts soon. I love that kid--he's such a gamer and plays with a lot of heart, and he's got a gun of an arm.

10-25-2004, 05:05 AM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	he threw away with plenty of time and missed wide open receivers pretty consistantly that's about as short a summary as i can provide for his last two games... he had run support, he had decent playcalling, and he had time.

10-25-2004, 05:40 AM	#13
4TH RING Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 129	Let me start by saying I don't think we can put all the blame on Brunnell. Dropped passes, bad routes, fumbles and poor blocking have all contributed to our offensive woes. Brunnell just compounds the problem with his poor play. Like some have already said it appears that he hasn't fully recovered from the hamstring injury and it's affecting his passes. You add to that the fact that his arm strength is not what it used to be and you get a QB whose throws sail in the air (quack quack) and who just does not look confident throwing into coverage. He's having the worst season of his career. Our offense has become 1 dimensional and to have any shot at winning we have to run the ball effectively. Opposing defenses know this so they focus on shutting down Portis. Brunnell IMO is a big factor as to why Portis isn't putting up the same #'s he did in his first two seasons with the broncos. Bottomline, Brunnell is the L.V.P. on offense and with the schedule getting tougher we can expect to be in games where we will have to overcome second half deficits. Anything over 14pts would be asking too much of Brunnell. With Ramsey in there, at least we'll have a chance. By no means is the season over, not with this defense. Gibbs needs to make a change already and give us some hope.

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