Can someone tell me what happened?

NY_Skinsfan · 11-02-2004, 01:55 AM

I missed what happened between Warren Sapp and Norv Turner. Was there anything to it? I heard about it but missed them talking about it on SportsCenter. I'm just curious as to what happened.

That Guy · 11-02-2004, 02:15 AM

sapp is an ahole and got pissed that norv sucks as a head coach basically... sapp yelling and trying to be intimidating on the sideline in norv's face... i don't think its really gonna be a big deal, but its part of the reason TB didn't want him back...

VTSkins897 · 11-02-2004, 02:54 AM

sapp's a fat worthless pos that even snyder didn't wanna deal w.

MTK · 11-02-2004, 09:22 AM

Supposedly Al Davis told someone in the box while watching the game that this is the worst Raiders team he's ever seen.

Can you say one and done for good ol' Norv?

I couldn't believe he was hired in the first place. They've gone from Gruden to Turner in just a couple of seasons, yikes.

SUNRA · 11-02-2004, 09:35 AM

Norv is too soft. He allowed a lot of crap to go on while he was in D.C. Remember Stephen Davis and Micheal Westbrook's catfight?

MTK · 11-02-2004, 09:44 AM

Catfight is putting it very nicely, Westbrook should have been suspended for a few games for that cheap shot.

Redskins_P · 11-02-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Norv is too soft. He allowed a lot of crap to go on while he was in D.C. Remember Stephen Davis and Micheal Westbrook's catfight?

Yeah, I remember that. I bet you if they went one on one, I'd put my money on big country...

MTK · 11-02-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Yeah, I remember that. I bet you if they went one on one, I'd put my money on big country...

It would have been a fair fight if they went at it head to head, but I believe Westbrook was into martial arts, so he may have funked him up anyway.

irish · 11-02-2004, 09:50 AM

I'm no big Norv fan but the Raiders did lose their starting QB early in the season so some of the problems stem from that.

Redskins_P · 11-02-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It would have been a fair fight if they went at it head to head, but I believe Westbrook was into martial arts, so he may have funked him up anyway.

True, but Westbrook was kinda flaky.....

kingerock · 11-02-2004, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I'm no big Norv fan but the Raiders did lose their starting QB early in the season so some of the problems stem from that.

I don't think most people thought he (Rich Gannon) should have been the starter anyway once Collins was brought in. I think the problems with the Raiders go way deeper than the roster though. They should at least be respectable on defense but they are probably the worst team in football right now.

MTK · 11-02-2004, 10:46 AM

Yeah Collins was supposed to be the better fit and while they won't admit it they brought him to start, not to back up Gannon. But Gannon had a good preseason and won the job. Now Collins is in there and he's stinking up the joint, and probably what's hurting them more is the lack of a feature back.

jbcjr14 · 11-02-2004, 11:45 AM

Norv has zero control...never has, never will. Sapp is just an idiot. Perfect match.

Shane · 11-02-2004, 12:14 PM

The Raiders have been devastated by injuries and that has been the biggest problem. Acquiring Warren Sapp was a big mistake. The coaching staff is doing everything to move Sapp around the line during games to give him the best matchups, but he is unable to be effective. Sapp is washed up and he is a nasty, mean windbag who is trying to cause trouble to distract from his own failures.

The biggest problem on the Raiders is personnel. Norv Turner is not the problem from what I can see; he is managing a difficult situation that no one else wanted to deal with. Charles Woodson is supportive of Turner and says that the problem is that there are too many players on the team that there are too many people who think they are stars on the team and not enough people willing to do the things you have to to win.

Turner is fed up and is in the process of eliminating from the lineup the people who aren't cutting it due to effort.

Turner inherited a terrible situation and I think he is doing actually ok considering. Woodson held out this summer and it was only due to astute diplomacy from Turner that Woodson returned.

MTK · 11-02-2004, 12:16 PM

Turner is a joke, he had 7 years here and he was always plagued by the same problems. He's just not head coach material.

11-02-2004, 01:55 AM	#1
NY_Skinsfan Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Albany, NY Age: 51 Posts: 838	Can someone tell me what happened? I missed what happened between Warren Sapp and Norv Turner. Was there anything to it? I heard about it but missed them talking about it on SportsCenter. I'm just curious as to what happened.

11-02-2004, 09:35 AM	#5
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Norv is too soft. He allowed a lot of crap to go on while he was in D.C. Remember Stephen Davis and Micheal Westbrook's catfight? __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

11-02-2004, 11:45 AM	#13
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Norv has zero control...never has, never will. Sapp is just an idiot. Perfect match. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

11-02-2004, 02:15 AM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	sapp is an ahole and got pissed that norv sucks as a head coach basically... sapp yelling and trying to be intimidating on the sideline in norv's face... i don't think its really gonna be a big deal, but its part of the reason TB didn't want him back...

11-02-2004, 02:54 AM	#3
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	sapp's a fat worthless pos that even snyder didn't wanna deal w.

11-02-2004, 09:22 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	Supposedly Al Davis told someone in the box while watching the game that this is the worst Raiders team he's ever seen. Can you say one and done for good ol' Norv? I couldn't believe he was hired in the first place. They've gone from Gruden to Turner in just a couple of seasons, yikes.

11-02-2004, 09:44 AM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	Catfight is putting it very nicely, Westbrook should have been suspended for a few games for that cheap shot.

11-02-2004, 09:50 AM	#9
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	I'm no big Norv fan but the Raiders did lose their starting QB early in the season so some of the problems stem from that.

11-02-2004, 10:46 AM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	Yeah Collins was supposed to be the better fit and while they won't admit it they brought him to start, not to back up Gannon. But Gannon had a good preseason and won the job. Now Collins is in there and he's stinking up the joint, and probably what's hurting them more is the lack of a feature back.

11-02-2004, 12:14 PM	#14
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	The Raiders have been devastated by injuries and that has been the biggest problem. Acquiring Warren Sapp was a big mistake. The coaching staff is doing everything to move Sapp around the line during games to give him the best matchups, but he is unable to be effective. Sapp is washed up and he is a nasty, mean windbag who is trying to cause trouble to distract from his own failures. The biggest problem on the Raiders is personnel. Norv Turner is not the problem from what I can see; he is managing a difficult situation that no one else wanted to deal with. Charles Woodson is supportive of Turner and says that the problem is that there are too many players on the team that there are too many people who think they are stars on the team and not enough people willing to do the things you have to to win. Turner is fed up and is in the process of eliminating from the lineup the people who aren't cutting it due to effort. Turner inherited a terrible situation and I think he is doing actually ok considering. Woodson held out this summer and it was only due to astute diplomacy from Turner that Woodson returned.

11-02-2004, 12:16 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	Turner is a joke, he had 7 years here and he was always plagued by the same problems. He's just not head coach material.

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