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illdefined · 11-06-2004, 10:51 AM

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Ramsey's tenacity and strong arm have earned praise from the coaches, but his tendency to force the ball into dangerous situations and lack of experience in a more conventional NFL system -- Ramsey's 16 starts came under coach Steve Spurrier's gung-ho offensive schemes -- have worked against him. Ramsey was outplayed by Brunell in the preseason and threw three interceptions in one half of football against the New York Giants in Week 2 when Brunell suffered a hamstring injury, but is capable of throwing the deep and accurate strike that has been missing all season.

from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Nov5.html

pretty much sums it it all up. in that article though, they say Ramsey isn't even practicing cuz it takes away snaps from Brunell. i don't like that, Ramsey should be getting more time with this offense and Brunell should be throwing at some paper targets non-stop.

Daseal · 11-06-2004, 11:03 AM

Maybe the fact that he isn't practicing is why he threw three INTs in his game against the Giants. I'd rather have a player that makes more mistakes but still moves our team up and down the field than someone who makes near the same amount of mistakes and constantly 3 and outs. Look at the Rams, they do ok with an even TD/TO margin, and I don't think Ramsey would be NEAR that bad.

skin4Life28 · 11-06-2004, 11:05 AM

For those of you who have booed Brunell for his inconsistent play. What do you all think is gonna happen when Ramsey comes in and starts throwing ints or just misssing recievers? Fans are going to Boo him. This will only hurt is confidence which really is not all there in the first place. I do agree that they should be splitting snaps in practice. I'm gonna give Brunell this last game against Detroit. Hopefully we can see his vet status come out in the dome, where it can be a very disruptive place.

MTK · 11-06-2004, 11:42 AM

I think part of the reason Gibbs is holding Ramsey back is because he doesn't want to throw him to the wolves, he doesn't want him to have to deal with a sometimes porous offensive line and a unit as a whole that is still trying to get comfortable in this system.

The ideal situation for him is one like Pittsburgh has around Rothlisberger. A solid and consistent running game and guys who have been in the system, know it inside and out and can properly support him.

Pitt is doing a great job at protecting Ben and running the ball which has taken a ton of pressure off him.

If Ramsey steps into our current situation alot of the pressure is going to be squarely on him, and that's really not fair.

DragoJT87 · 11-06-2004, 02:33 PM

Ramsey has seen worse from defenses last year with worse protection and no RB. I would hardly call this years situation "the wolves". By the way, isn't putting someone in at the end of the 3rd quarter and down by 13 points, allbeit because of injury, throwing someone to the wolves. What's your take on giving him a full start so he does not have to try and win the game on every throw, which by the way he almost did? He is one Rod Gardner drop at the goaline from us all being silent.

offiss · 11-06-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Nov5.html

pretty much sums it it all up. in that article though, they say Ramsey isn't even practicing cuz it takes away snaps from Brunell. i don't like that, Ramsey should be getting more time with this offense and Brunell should be throwing at some paper targets non-stop.

100% agreed iLL!

offiss · 11-06-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think part of the reason Gibbs is holding Ramsey back is because he doesn't want to throw him to the wolves, he doesn't want him to have to deal with a sometimes porous offensive line and a unit as a whole that is still trying to get comfortable in this system.

The ideal situation for him is one like Pittsburgh has around Rothlisberger. A solid and consistent running game and guys who have been in the system, know it inside and out and can properly support him.

Pitt is doing a great job at protecting Ben and running the ball which has taken a ton of pressure off him.

If Ramsey steps into our current situation alot of the pressure is going to be squarely on him, and that's really not fair.

You know Matty, you can also say what came first the chicken or the egg? Is the offensive line pourous because the defenses are keying on Portis because they have absolutly no respect for Brunell? We have heard statement's that would lead us to believe that is the case both from Portis as well as oppossing defender's, at this point in the season I think Brunell has to go, we can talk all day about how Ramsey might not be ready, but the fact is Brunell isn't either, and the fact is if that article is correct Gibb's has no intention of coaching Ramsey up to speed if he's not getting rep's in practice, I say Ramsey would be a much better QB by now as far as mistakes are concerned if he had been playing all along, unlike Brunell who hasen't budged one inch as far as progressing as a QB, so long as Brunell is starting we are only retarding the growth of Ramsey as well as the advacement of the skin's as a whole.

Paintrain · 11-06-2004, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DragoJT87

Ramsey has seen worse from defenses last year with worse protection and no RB. I would hardly call this years situation "the wolves". By the way, isn't putting someone in at the end of the 3rd quarter and down by 13 points, allbeit because of injury, throwing someone to the wolves. What's your take on giving him a full start so he does not have to try and win the game on every throw, which by the way he almost did? He is one Rod Gardner drop at the goaline from us all being silent.

You know, that last line is a good point.. IF Gardner hadn't dropped that TD pass you could definitely remove 1 INT from Ramsey (the next pass) and probably take away another one (the pass he forced late in the 4th) giving him 1 TD and 1 INT. The way someone put it last week (maybe Wilbon) is the Redskins have a QB who can't make the throws but can see the field (Brunell) and one who can't see the field but can make the throws (Ramsey). Seems like Gibbs thinks the first is the better option. I would rather take my chances to open up the offense with Ramsey and put him in position to not make mistakes (like the Jets did with Pennington his 1st year) and hopefully open up some room for Portis to run.

CROOKEDSKINS · 11-06-2004, 08:27 PM

Watching Brunell Play Is Like Getting Kicked In The Private Parts The First Couple Of Seconds It Doesnt Hurt But Before To Long Its The Worst Thing
Ever.

Go Ramsey

Daseal · 11-07-2004, 01:25 AM

How will Ramsey EVER learn this offense if he's not taking snaps.

What is Gibbs doing? Besides giving us a talented, disgruntled backup? Contract year is coming up for Mr. Ramsey, and he will NOT re-sign if he doesn't even see snaps in practice. I think we need to work to keep him here more than pet Brunell's ego.

That Guy · 11-07-2004, 02:45 AM

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IF Gardner hadn't dropped that TD pass you could definitely remove 1 INT from Ramsey (the next pass) and probably take away another one (the pass he forced late in the 4th) giving him 1 TD and 1 INT

actually he had a TD to portis, he'd be 2 TD, 1 INT, 150 yards (in half a game)...

Gmanc711 · 11-07-2004, 11:54 AM

If Ramsey is seeing zero snaps in practice....that might be the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Even if Ramsey was the worst backup in the history of the NFL, he should still be seening snaps in practice. I dont care who your number 2 guy is, he needs to be ready to come in the game at any time. He's always one play away from being a starter and he needs to be prepared for it.

monk81 · 11-07-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think part of the reason Gibbs is holding Ramsey back is because he doesn't want to throw him to the wolves, he doesn't want him to have to deal with a sometimes porous offensive line and a unit as a whole that is still trying to get comfortable in this system.

The ideal situation for him is one like Pittsburgh has around Rothlisberger. A solid and consistent running game and guys who have been in the system, know it inside and out and can properly support him.

Pitt is doing a great job at protecting Ben and running the ball which has taken a ton of pressure off him.

If Ramsey steps into our current situation alot of the pressure is going to be squarely on him, and that's really not fair.

I think you make some good points Matty.......... the Steelers have surrounded Big Ben with good line and crew. Meanwhile Burnell is playing with a mediocre line at best and Portis hasn't helped in protection either.
You can put Joe Montana or Sammy Baugh back there and it won't make a difference if you don't get time for the play to set up. In some cases the talent just isn't there yet. If you have guys blitzing in Burnell's face there is just not time for a play to develop. Having said that there are times when Burnell's passing is painful to watch (although I've got to see a limited number of games), and then there is the play calling, no imagination..........Parcells was short handed yet he put in some innovative yet basic plays to fool the defense, so the play calling rests at the feet of not only of Joe Gibbs but also offensive coordinator Don Breaux. Having said that our Defense has been extrodinary and as bad as our offense sucked, the Redskins were in each and every name, and we should've/could've won all the games they lost if a few of the penalties on offense had been eliminated. Wins require our offense not to make ANY mistakes.......This team is still a work in progress and we need another draft.

SUNRA · 11-07-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

How will Ramsey EVER learn this offense if he's not taking snaps.

What is Gibbs doing? Besides giving us a talented, disgruntled backup? Contract year is coming up for Mr. Ramsey, and he will NOT re-sign if he doesn't even see snaps in practice. I think we need to work to keep him here more than pet Brunell's ego.

We all feel the since of deseperation to win and quite naturally Brunells's inability to win games consistently does not sit well with all of us.

The game against Detroit has more implications for Brunell than he might understand. If Brunell's performance is not helping this team through his pass completions and we lose, Coach Gibbs has two options. One, bring in Ramsey, and build for next year or let Brunell finish this season and allow Ramsey to practice with the first team next season. I think we will see Ramsey before the season is over because the offense right now doesn't show any sign of scoring more than 20 points even in victory.

monk81 · 11-07-2004, 12:29 PM

On ESPN this morning, Mike Ditka said that Joe is a winner and will be a winner again, the Redskin defense has been #1 or #2 ranked in the NFL......He couldn't put his finger on why the offense had problems scoring, but mentioned perhaps a QB change should be made......hmmmmmmmmm Is Mike reading this board or perhaps talking to some of y'all on this Forum?

11-06-2004, 11:03 AM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Maybe the fact that he isn't practicing is why he threw three INTs in his game against the Giants. I'd rather have a player that makes more mistakes but still moves our team up and down the field than someone who makes near the same amount of mistakes and constantly 3 and outs. Look at the Rams, they do ok with an even TD/TO margin, and I don't think Ramsey would be NEAR that bad.

11-06-2004, 11:05 AM	#3
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	For those of you who have booed Brunell for his inconsistent play. What do you all think is gonna happen when Ramsey comes in and starts throwing ints or just misssing recievers? Fans are going to Boo him. This will only hurt is confidence which really is not all there in the first place. I do agree that they should be splitting snaps in practice. I'm gonna give Brunell this last game against Detroit. Hopefully we can see his vet status come out in the dome, where it can be a very disruptive place.

11-06-2004, 11:42 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	I think part of the reason Gibbs is holding Ramsey back is because he doesn't want to throw him to the wolves, he doesn't want him to have to deal with a sometimes porous offensive line and a unit as a whole that is still trying to get comfortable in this system. The ideal situation for him is one like Pittsburgh has around Rothlisberger. A solid and consistent running game and guys who have been in the system, know it inside and out and can properly support him. Pitt is doing a great job at protecting Ben and running the ball which has taken a ton of pressure off him. If Ramsey steps into our current situation alot of the pressure is going to be squarely on him, and that's really not fair.

11-06-2004, 02:33 PM	#5
DragoJT87 Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: So. Md. Age: 44 Posts: 32	Ramsey has seen worse from defenses last year with worse protection and no RB. I would hardly call this years situation "the wolves". By the way, isn't putting someone in at the end of the 3rd quarter and down by 13 points, allbeit because of injury, throwing someone to the wolves. What's your take on giving him a full start so he does not have to try and win the game on every throw, which by the way he almost did? He is one Rod Gardner drop at the goaline from us all being silent.

11-06-2004, 08:27 PM	#9
CROOKEDSKINS Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: KEY WEST FL Age: 52 Posts: 93	Watching Brunell Play Is Like Getting Kicked In The Private Parts The First Couple Of Seconds It Doesnt Hurt But Before To Long Its The Worst Thing Ever. Go Ramsey

11-07-2004, 01:25 AM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	How will Ramsey EVER learn this offense if he's not taking snaps. What is Gibbs doing? Besides giving us a talented, disgruntled backup? Contract year is coming up for Mr. Ramsey, and he will NOT re-sign if he doesn't even see snaps in practice. I think we need to work to keep him here more than pet Brunell's ego.

11-07-2004, 11:54 AM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	If Ramsey is seeing zero snaps in practice....that might be the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Even if Ramsey was the worst backup in the history of the NFL, he should still be seening snaps in practice. I dont care who your number 2 guy is, he needs to be ready to come in the game at any time. He's always one play away from being a starter and he needs to be prepared for it.

11-07-2004, 12:29 PM	#15
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	On ESPN this morning, Mike Ditka said that Joe is a winner and will be a winner again, the Redskin defense has been #1 or #2 ranked in the NFL......He couldn't put his finger on why the offense had problems scoring, but mentioned perhaps a QB change should be made......hmmmmmmmmm Is Mike reading this board or perhaps talking to some of y'all on this Forum?

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