Clinton Portis?

Gmanc711 · 11-28-2004, 05:00 PM

Whoever watch the last two games, dont need me to tell them that Clinton Portis has had some bad stats. However, thats to be expected that a running back will have a couple bad games. However, Clinton Portis was not even on the football feild today. Seriously, if someone made me bet the percentage of plays he was on the feild, I would say under 50%, and I'll have to look at a tape to be sure. Now Clinton Portis is the best football player we have on our team.... SO WHY iSNT HE ON THE FEILD? Is he hurt and we just dont know about it, or is somthing going on? I've gone as far to think to myself that he might not even be here next year, I dotn get it. I'd just like to hear some comments, because I'm shocked at how were using him, and the lack of using him.

RedskinRat · 11-28-2004, 05:02 PM

He's too quick for a soggy, slippery field. I know that sounds crazy but he spins his wheels and just gets tackled down in the back field. You need a big, heavy diesel type runner.

skinsguy · 11-28-2004, 05:10 PM

Not to mention that once you're down 13-0, you have to get away from the running game some and start passing...like RR said, Portis' running style isn't built for this type of field. That is why I keep harping about getting a big back like Bettis to compliment Portis. Betts did a decent job today but we need someone bigger I think.

d151b · 11-28-2004, 05:25 PM

gmanc has an excellent point. we get stopped on two running plays, then call 56 consecutive passing plays after that. what are the offensive coaches smoking? it's 13 points, that's it. we abandoned the run in the first friggin quarter... what happened to Gibbs' run first approach...? especially with a 50 million dollar stud like portis!!! why would you call that many passing plays anyways? the receivers can't even catch the ball....

That Guy · 11-28-2004, 05:55 PM

i saw portis struggling for traction today, i don't know... we were in the game till the last 2 minutes, but i'll be damned if I knew how to win it... offenses are just fickle, either they work or they don't... I was sad to see our run game take 20 steps back today though, that was the one thing we actually had working...

offiss · 11-28-2004, 05:59 PM

It really doesn't matter who's back running the ball right now, our line is not opening holes. Why, is the big question? Is it because team's are stacking the box knowing we can't throw? Are our pass pattern's to easy to cover? I feel Gibb's has to be be able to do a better job with draw's and screen's to keep the defensive pass rush honest, that alone would be the biggest help in giving Ramsey time to throw, those quick draw's would also give us better play action holding the LB's for an extra second, team's attack our offense with reckless abandon they are not worried about surprises, I also think our WR corp's is overated Gardner is a waste he shouldn't even be on the field, no matter how good he may look here, or there, he will kill you in the end, and I am tired of hearing how Portis is to fast for the counter trey, nonesense! The blocking is not there where are the holes that he's missing? I haven't seen one, case and point about our offensive line 1st and goal at the 1 and we went backwards running the ball, that is smash mouth football no trick's just man against man and we couldn't move the ball 1 yard we had to throw on 4th down to score, I just think we need a big strong center Raymer is getting pushed around in there, I find it hard to believe that a 350lb lineman in Dockery can't push his guy back 1 yard, and it's not injuries because it's been this way all year long, I think our line is highly overated, no way I keep Samuels next year he is nothing remotly special, I think Wilson had a decent game should only get better, but that line may be at the core of our problem's and that's why team's don't respect our run they know man to man we can't block opposing D-lines, any blitzes we see just go after the QB they don't have to respect the run on the blitz because they know the guy's upfront will stop it, the more I watch our offense the more I am convinced our line's inability to control the line of scrimmage is the biggest problem.

Gmanc711 · 11-28-2004, 06:02 PM

Offis is right, the holes arent there. The thing I wanted to point out the most in this thread is that Portis wasent even playing the majority of our offensive snaps. That is a huge concern to me. Its not the stats that I'm worried about, Barry Sanders wouldnt have gained 50 yards today. Its the fact that hes not even on the feild that is making me question what exactly is goin gon.

That Guy · 11-28-2004, 06:02 PM

raymer really got pushed around at will today...

illdefined · 11-28-2004, 08:37 PM

not his choice. from the WP:

"We felt our best way to get it downfield (was to throw)," Gibbs said. "I am sure he will be upset about it. I expect him to be. He is very competitive."

Portis said, "I'm not in Denver anymore, I'm in Washington, I have to find a way to be a key player in this system, the same way I was there."

skinsguy · 11-28-2004, 09:47 PM

Being down by 13 points against the Steelers with the number one defense in the league is the reason why we decided to throw more as opposed to running. Did you guys notice the average yards rushing today? It couldn't have been more than 2 yards per carry.

MTK · 11-28-2004, 10:31 PM

We averaged something like 2.9 yards per rush as a team today

skinsguy · 11-28-2004, 10:37 PM

I figured if it was more than 2 yards rushing it wasn't much more. 2.9 rushing average is pathetic. The problem is we couldn't have stuck with the running game since we had gotten behind.

skinsfanthru&thru · 11-28-2004, 11:40 PM

don't they also count sacks against the run 2 or is that just in college?

MTK · 11-28-2004, 11:58 PM

sacks count against the team passing yardage

skin4Life28 · 11-29-2004, 12:21 PM

Talk about Portis being the biggest fantasy bust this year.

11-28-2004, 05:00 PM	#1
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Clinton Portis? Whoever watch the last two games, dont need me to tell them that Clinton Portis has had some bad stats. However, thats to be expected that a running back will have a couple bad games. However, Clinton Portis was not even on the football feild today. Seriously, if someone made me bet the percentage of plays he was on the feild, I would say under 50%, and I'll have to look at a tape to be sure. Now Clinton Portis is the best football player we have on our team.... SO WHY iSNT HE ON THE FEILD? Is he hurt and we just dont know about it, or is somthing going on? I've gone as far to think to myself that he might not even be here next year, I dotn get it. I'd just like to hear some comments, because I'm shocked at how were using him, and the lack of using him. __________________ #21

11-28-2004, 06:02 PM	#7
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Offis is right, the holes arent there. The thing I wanted to point out the most in this thread is that Portis wasent even playing the majority of our offensive snaps. That is a huge concern to me. Its not the stats that I'm worried about, Barry Sanders wouldnt have gained 50 yards today. Its the fact that hes not even on the feild that is making me question what exactly is goin gon. __________________ #21

11-28-2004, 05:02 PM	#2
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	He's too quick for a soggy, slippery field. I know that sounds crazy but he spins his wheels and just gets tackled down in the back field. You need a big, heavy diesel type runner.

11-28-2004, 05:10 PM	#3
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Not to mention that once you're down 13-0, you have to get away from the running game some and start passing...like RR said, Portis' running style isn't built for this type of field. That is why I keep harping about getting a big back like Bettis to compliment Portis. Betts did a decent job today but we need someone bigger I think.

11-28-2004, 05:25 PM	#4
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	gmanc has an excellent point. we get stopped on two running plays, then call 56 consecutive passing plays after that. what are the offensive coaches smoking? it's 13 points, that's it. we abandoned the run in the first friggin quarter... what happened to Gibbs' run first approach...? especially with a 50 million dollar stud like portis!!! why would you call that many passing plays anyways? the receivers can't even catch the ball....

11-28-2004, 05:55 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i saw portis struggling for traction today, i don't know... we were in the game till the last 2 minutes, but i'll be damned if I knew how to win it... offenses are just fickle, either they work or they don't... I was sad to see our run game take 20 steps back today though, that was the one thing we actually had working...

11-28-2004, 05:59 PM	#6
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	It really doesn't matter who's back running the ball right now, our line is not opening holes. Why, is the big question? Is it because team's are stacking the box knowing we can't throw? Are our pass pattern's to easy to cover? I feel Gibb's has to be be able to do a better job with draw's and screen's to keep the defensive pass rush honest, that alone would be the biggest help in giving Ramsey time to throw, those quick draw's would also give us better play action holding the LB's for an extra second, team's attack our offense with reckless abandon they are not worried about surprises, I also think our WR corp's is overated Gardner is a waste he shouldn't even be on the field, no matter how good he may look here, or there, he will kill you in the end, and I am tired of hearing how Portis is to fast for the counter trey, nonesense! The blocking is not there where are the holes that he's missing? I haven't seen one, case and point about our offensive line 1st and goal at the 1 and we went backwards running the ball, that is smash mouth football no trick's just man against man and we couldn't move the ball 1 yard we had to throw on 4th down to score, I just think we need a big strong center Raymer is getting pushed around in there, I find it hard to believe that a 350lb lineman in Dockery can't push his guy back 1 yard, and it's not injuries because it's been this way all year long, I think our line is highly overated, no way I keep Samuels next year he is nothing remotly special, I think Wilson had a decent game should only get better, but that line may be at the core of our problem's and that's why team's don't respect our run they know man to man we can't block opposing D-lines, any blitzes we see just go after the QB they don't have to respect the run on the blitz because they know the guy's upfront will stop it, the more I watch our offense the more I am convinced our line's inability to control the line of scrimmage is the biggest problem.

11-28-2004, 08:37 PM	#9
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	not his choice. from the WP: "We felt our best way to get it downfield (was to throw)," Gibbs said. "I am sure he will be upset about it. I expect him to be. He is very competitive." Portis said, "I'm not in Denver anymore, I'm in Washington, I have to find a way to be a key player in this system, the same way I was there."

11-28-2004, 09:47 PM	#10
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Being down by 13 points against the Steelers with the number one defense in the league is the reason why we decided to throw more as opposed to running. Did you guys notice the average yards rushing today? It couldn't have been more than 2 yards per carry.

11-28-2004, 10:31 PM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	We averaged something like 2.9 yards per rush as a team today

11-28-2004, 10:37 PM	#12
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I figured if it was more than 2 yards rushing it wasn't much more. 2.9 rushing average is pathetic. The problem is we couldn't have stuck with the running game since we had gotten behind.

11-28-2004, 11:40 PM	#13
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	don't they also count sacks against the run 2 or is that just in college?

11-28-2004, 11:58 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	sacks count against the team passing yardage

11-29-2004, 12:21 PM	#15
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	Talk about Portis being the biggest fantasy bust this year.

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