Post Game Thoughts

Gmanc711 · 12-13-2004, 01:16 AM

I dont know about everyone else, I'm freaking heartbroken. But I'm damn proud of our guys. We still have alot of things we need to fix, espcially our playbook, Ramsey is still obviously not smart enough yet, that was a horrible decision, but I'm not too pissed at him. I am but there was plenty of blame to go around.

Defensivley, what can you say. Those guys are awsome. Theres really no better way to put it, they are awsome. I really hope Springs is alright.

I dont know, they played their asses off tonight, I'm pretty dissapointed because we had that game. But I defintley think we have alot to look forward too.

Thoughts?

Bozzy · 12-13-2004, 01:19 AM

Ramsey made a rookie mistake, and because he missed most of this season, he's rusty. So he has two excuses. I don't blame him.

BleedBurgundy · 12-13-2004, 01:20 AM

Yeah, I agree with you Gmanc. Has anyone heard about Springs yet? As far as Ramsey, that was a boneheaded move. He's come a long way with his decision making but he's still not where we need him to be yet. I think that we played an overall good game. This was the class of the NFC that we went up against tonight. We should have taken it to overtime, and while a loss is never good, I believe it did show a national audience that the Skins are a heck of a lot better than their record. I didn't watch the game (I'm at work), can someone please describe the interception? Was it a bad throw, was anyone in a Skins uniform anywhere around? What happened?

LongTimeSkinsFan · 12-13-2004, 01:24 AM

MegaKudos to Greg Williams for coming up with nothing less than a brilliant defensive scheme to frustrate the crap out of the Eagles offense. The offense had a few sparkling moments but was sporadic and I think that mostly centered around PRs decision making on the field. There were quite a few plays where the commentators pointed out Ramsey was just missing seeing some wide open targets- Coles a couple of times and CP downfield (on the TD pass that Cooley dropped no less!). I was really confused by the playcalling this game. I hate to say it, but it seemed like we were just trying everything to see what would work. I seriously expected a more cohesive attack than what we had tonight. I was really proud of how well they played the Eagles though and it was more of what I expected of them, but it still hurts knowing that we blew several chances to win this game. I do think that the Eagles left Fed-Ex knowing they got one hell of a gift though and next year (as we have been so apt to say as Redskins fans) it will be a different story.

cpayne5 · 12-13-2004, 01:25 AM

At the beginning of the season, I said that improvement over the course of the season would be a great sign. I see that.

As for the play in the endzone, anyone else how the commentators went from 'yeah, they've gotta win it. they shouldn't be playing for the tie at this point.' to 'i can't believe they did that when all they had to do was kick a FG' in the span of about 30 seconds?! What idiots.

Anyway. Ramsey has played doggone well, IMO, since he's been in there. All Gibbs has been asking of Ramsey so far is to not lose games. I think Ramsey's done a good job of this. That was a bad interception, but he will definitely learn from it. A game like this is hard, but we did play one of the best teams in the league pretty darn close.

If we keep making progress and keep with the 'continuity' theme, then we will become a team like the Eagles are. I love our defense. The offense needs to play more consistently, attract less penalties, and play with a high confidence level (which I think they are developing each week).

LongTimeSkinsFan · 12-13-2004, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I didn't watch the game (I'm at work), can someone please describe the interception? Was it a bad throw, was anyone in a Skins uniform anywhere around? What happened?

the INT was plain and simple a bad decision. PR threw into the end zone intended for Cooley who was 2x covered. As far as Springs, all I heard was that he suffered a concussion but is OK. Still waiting on X-rays to confirm no serious injuries.

SmootSmack · 12-13-2004, 01:27 AM

I have mixed feelings.

We played hard and really fought to make it a game. But at the same time we did stupid things to keep it a game when we could have been pulling away. Aside from the horrible PI call on Springs, we had some really stupid penalties that we can't continue to keep making. And Mike Sellers! I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone.

Playcalling was frustrating but not all that different from last week I don't think and that worked like a charm. Granted, Philly and the Giants are quite different. There were a couple of times though that a short play was all they needed and they want for the big play. That made no sense to me. A 3rd and 2 comes to mind, along with the Ramsey interception.

Coles and Cooley were great today. I thought we'd see more of Darkerian since Ramsey seems to like him.

Overall it's a frustrating loss, but hopefully we can build on this and turn these tough losses into wins next season.

Above all though, apparently Shawn Springs is ok and that's what matters most

LongTimeSkinsFan · 12-13-2004, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

As for the play in the endzone, anyone else how the commentators went from 'yeah, they've gotta win it. they shouldn't be playing for the tie at this point.' to 'i can't believe they did that when all they had to do was kick a FG' in the span of about 30 seconds?! What idiots.

I totally agree. Who was that fat dude with the mustache anyway? He was flip-flopping so much during the game it became annoying. Did like hearing JT offer his insight from playing under Gibbs though. Allowed you to understand the philosophy behind the decisions better.

rome108 · 12-13-2004, 01:32 AM

As much as I wanted to rip Ramsey's heart out after that int, now that i've cooled off... you can't put all the blame on him. Yes, there were 3 green shirts in the corner and yes, the throw was well over thrown to Cooley, but hey? who the fuck called a deep pass on 1&10 from the 27? That was just a stupid play call. I would have been happy with three runs for a few yards each and hope one broke open or even a few dump off passes, but going for the bomb was totally unexpected, really bad play calling, if you ask me.

Whats more, early during the game, we were moving the ball well, Portis was running okay, the short passes were working, but no deep balls. Our drives would stall around mid field. What's up with that? What ever happened to the play action or bomb? You can't ask a guy (Ramsey) who hasen't thrown a completed deep pass all game to all of a sudden go out and win it all in the end and that's what they did when panic set in and we were down 17-7, then the skins started throwing deep to catch up.

I'm sorry, but as much as I'd like to blame Ramsey for the loss, the offensive play calling sucked, just as it has all season, this was not all just Ramsey's int.

Gmanc711 · 12-13-2004, 01:36 AM

The more I am removed for the game, the better I feel. I'm still really dissapointed, but like Cpayne said, were showing so much improvement. This is the same team that lost to the likes of the Browns, Ravens after we had a 10 point lead, and barley beat the Bears. Were defintley coming along.

Points on indiviuals today....

Ramsey: I'm going to defend him overall, I thought he played a pretty good game, made some great moves when he was under alot of pressure. However, that INT is inexcusable, so I'm not even going to try to defend it. No matter what play was called, you cant make that desicion.

Sellers: Cut him, tommarow. Seriously.

Cooley: Dropped a crutial pass, but did what good players do and came back and made up for it. While you could contribute that one pass to our loss, he defintley did you're supposed to do after a drop and make some big plays. koodo's to Cooley.

Springs: I hope you play again this year, but the hell with all the people who called you a bad signing, you are freaking awsome. Best wishes!

Gibbs: We need to seriously reconsider some of our playcalling, or hire a offensive corrdinator. Alot is on execution, but Ramsey shouldnt have even been in the situation to make that throw. I really like how the team is coming together, and I think that is 100% on you, exellent job wtih your leadership. However, I think your playcalling is not very good.

JWsleep · 12-13-2004, 01:37 AM

The main thing for me is how they bounce back. Next week is a weak opponent on the road. Will they play with fire and get a win? And then it's Dallas.

Coles, Cooley, and the whole D looked good. Penalties were a killer; Ramsey's int was a terrible decision. The only good that can come of it will be if he learns and grows.

About the playcalling: it was conservative to say the least, but it had us driving on the Philly 27 with 2 minutes, looking for the win. We won time of possession. We had just as many yards as Philly. We we're one big play away. This is not a disaster, it's a disapointment. Don't get me wrong: I threw my hat across the room and managed to cut my hand doing it when Ramsey tossed that duck. But we're close, closer than our record shows. Let's win out and establish something.

Gmanc711 · 12-13-2004, 01:38 AM

Oh and one more point.... the NFL seriously needs to look at the refferee situation in the offseason. I'm not going to say they cost us this game, even though they MAY have. But they have been horrible all over the league. and while human error is going to happen somtimes, its getting alitte out of hand.

PSUskinsfan11 · 12-13-2004, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Oh and one more point.... the NFL seriously needs to look at the refferee situation in the offseason. I'm not going to say they cost us this game, even though they MAY have. But they have been horrible all over the league. and while human error is going to happen somtimes, its getting alitte out of hand.

The PI call was terrible. It should have been a no call if anything. If that play doesn't get called and Cooley catches that TD pass OR Ramsey even looks for our biggest offensive weapon, CLINTON PORTIS, out of the backfield on that play we go into half up 14-0. Wondering you guys thoughts on Chris Clemons. He makes another big play this week. Hopefully we can keep him around. Also, it was GREAT to see Coles play like he did last year again. He is a real tough player and I am glad to call him a redskin.

p.s. Sean Taylor is amazing.....just had to add that in there.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 12-13-2004, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUskinsfan11

The PI call was terrible. It should have been a no call if anything.

I disagree here. From what I saw of the replay it should have been offensive PI. It looked pretty obvious that TO was pushing off as the ball was coming down.

Paintrain · 12-13-2004, 01:53 AM

Very frustrating game to watch.. THe same old themes that have plauged us continue to persist. Time management, bad, play calling, worse, stupid penalties, the worst. Mike Sellers should be cut at 9am or as soon as the league offices open. You can't be on the field for 15 plays a game and cost your team 30 yds. That 2nd penalty was just inexucsable, we could have had the ball at the 50 yd line, with momentum and he does some old dumb sh*t that killed us.

I hate to say this about Coach Gibbs, but he's coaching scared. I don't know if he still doesn't trust Ramsey or what, but today's NFL isn't a horizontal game, it's a vertical game. You have to push the ball down the field occasionally. All the WR screens and hitches don't do you a bit of good when you always have 3rd and 7. Not going for it when the ball is at the Eagles 47 and it's 4th and less than a yard, c'mon. Show some guts. On the other hand, getting stuffed twice on 3rd & 1 just shows how predictable we've gotten. Where's the play-action there? Where was the bunch formation tonight? Why wait until the 4th quarter to break out the moving pocket? Gibbs needs to hire a TRUE offensive coordinator (not Pops Breaux) to design some contemporary plays including the shotgun.

The time management is inexcusable. Running the play clock down to 3 seconds every play is not good. Not having plays ready for down and distance isn't good. It seems that Gibbs is really struggling with this aspect still. I don't think the refs helped at all in the 4th quarter. We shouldn't have had to burn that timeout if the replay ref would have called down sooner.

I think the past few weeks have shown that we have the players for the most part and we have the potential to be successful but we need to get current with what the rest of the league is doing and turn some of these close losses into wins.

12-13-2004, 01:16 AM	#1
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Post Game Thoughts I dont know about everyone else, I'm freaking heartbroken. But I'm damn proud of our guys. We still have alot of things we need to fix, espcially our playbook, Ramsey is still obviously not smart enough yet, that was a horrible decision, but I'm not too pissed at him. I am but there was plenty of blame to go around. Defensivley, what can you say. Those guys are awsome. Theres really no better way to put it, they are awsome. I really hope Springs is alright. I dont know, they played their asses off tonight, I'm pretty dissapointed because we had that game. But I defintley think we have alot to look forward too. Thoughts? __________________ #21

12-13-2004, 01:25 AM	#5
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	At the beginning of the season, I said that improvement over the course of the season would be a great sign. I see that. As for the play in the endzone, anyone else how the commentators went from 'yeah, they've gotta win it. they shouldn't be playing for the tie at this point.' to 'i can't believe they did that when all they had to do was kick a FG' in the span of about 30 seconds?! What idiots. Anyway. Ramsey has played doggone well, IMO, since he's been in there. All Gibbs has been asking of Ramsey so far is to not lose games. I think Ramsey's done a good job of this. That was a bad interception, but he will definitely learn from it. A game like this is hard, but we did play one of the best teams in the league pretty darn close. If we keep making progress and keep with the 'continuity' theme, then we will become a team like the Eagles are. I love our defense. The offense needs to play more consistently, attract less penalties, and play with a high confidence level (which I think they are developing each week). __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

12-13-2004, 01:27 AM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I have mixed feelings. We played hard and really fought to make it a game. But at the same time we did stupid things to keep it a game when we could have been pulling away. Aside from the horrible PI call on Springs, we had some really stupid penalties that we can't continue to keep making. And Mike Sellers! I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone. Playcalling was frustrating but not all that different from last week I don't think and that worked like a charm. Granted, Philly and the Giants are quite different. There were a couple of times though that a short play was all they needed and they want for the big play. That made no sense to me. A 3rd and 2 comes to mind, along with the Ramsey interception. Coles and Cooley were great today. I thought we'd see more of Darkerian since Ramsey seems to like him. Overall it's a frustrating loss, but hopefully we can build on this and turn these tough losses into wins next season. Above all though, apparently Shawn Springs is ok and that's what matters most __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-13-2004, 01:36 AM	#10
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	The more I am removed for the game, the better I feel. I'm still really dissapointed, but like Cpayne said, were showing so much improvement. This is the same team that lost to the likes of the Browns, Ravens after we had a 10 point lead, and barley beat the Bears. Were defintley coming along. Points on indiviuals today.... Ramsey: I'm going to defend him overall, I thought he played a pretty good game, made some great moves when he was under alot of pressure. However, that INT is inexcusable, so I'm not even going to try to defend it. No matter what play was called, you cant make that desicion. Sellers: Cut him, tommarow. Seriously. Cooley: Dropped a crutial pass, but did what good players do and came back and made up for it. While you could contribute that one pass to our loss, he defintley did you're supposed to do after a drop and make some big plays. koodo's to Cooley. Springs: I hope you play again this year, but the hell with all the people who called you a bad signing, you are freaking awsome. Best wishes! Gibbs: We need to seriously reconsider some of our playcalling, or hire a offensive corrdinator. Alot is on execution, but Ramsey shouldnt have even been in the situation to make that throw. I really like how the team is coming together, and I think that is 100% on you, exellent job wtih your leadership. However, I think your playcalling is not very good. __________________ #21

12-13-2004, 01:37 AM	#11
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	The main thing for me is how they bounce back. Next week is a weak opponent on the road. Will they play with fire and get a win? And then it's Dallas. Coles, Cooley, and the whole D looked good. Penalties were a killer; Ramsey's int was a terrible decision. The only good that can come of it will be if he learns and grows. About the playcalling: it was conservative to say the least, but it had us driving on the Philly 27 with 2 minutes, looking for the win. We won time of possession. We had just as many yards as Philly. We we're one big play away. This is not a disaster, it's a disapointment. Don't get me wrong: I threw my hat across the room and managed to cut my hand doing it when Ramsey tossed that duck. But we're close, closer than our record shows. Let's win out and establish something. __________________ Hail from Houston!

12-13-2004, 01:19 AM	#2
Bozzy The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 44 Posts: 1,034	Ramsey made a rookie mistake, and because he missed most of this season, he's rusty. So he has two excuses. I don't blame him.

12-13-2004, 01:20 AM	#3
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Yeah, I agree with you Gmanc. Has anyone heard about Springs yet? As far as Ramsey, that was a boneheaded move. He's come a long way with his decision making but he's still not where we need him to be yet. I think that we played an overall good game. This was the class of the NFC that we went up against tonight. We should have taken it to overtime, and while a loss is never good, I believe it did show a national audience that the Skins are a heck of a lot better than their record. I didn't watch the game (I'm at work), can someone please describe the interception? Was it a bad throw, was anyone in a Skins uniform anywhere around? What happened?

12-13-2004, 01:24 AM	#4
LongTimeSkinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: LaVale MD Age: 62 Posts: 515	MegaKudos to Greg Williams for coming up with nothing less than a brilliant defensive scheme to frustrate the crap out of the Eagles offense. The offense had a few sparkling moments but was sporadic and I think that mostly centered around PRs decision making on the field. There were quite a few plays where the commentators pointed out Ramsey was just missing seeing some wide open targets- Coles a couple of times and CP downfield (on the TD pass that Cooley dropped no less!). I was really confused by the playcalling this game. I hate to say it, but it seemed like we were just trying everything to see what would work. I seriously expected a more cohesive attack than what we had tonight. I was really proud of how well they played the Eagles though and it was more of what I expected of them, but it still hurts knowing that we blew several chances to win this game. I do think that the Eagles left Fed-Ex knowing they got one hell of a gift though and next year (as we have been so apt to say as Redskins fans) it will be a different story.

12-13-2004, 01:32 AM	#9
rome108 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 277	As much as I wanted to rip Ramsey's heart out after that int, now that i've cooled off... you can't put all the blame on him. Yes, there were 3 green shirts in the corner and yes, the throw was well over thrown to Cooley, but hey? who the fuck called a deep pass on 1&10 from the 27? That was just a stupid play call. I would have been happy with three runs for a few yards each and hope one broke open or even a few dump off passes, but going for the bomb was totally unexpected, really bad play calling, if you ask me. Whats more, early during the game, we were moving the ball well, Portis was running okay, the short passes were working, but no deep balls. Our drives would stall around mid field. What's up with that? What ever happened to the play action or bomb? You can't ask a guy (Ramsey) who hasen't thrown a completed deep pass all game to all of a sudden go out and win it all in the end and that's what they did when panic set in and we were down 17-7, then the skins started throwing deep to catch up. I'm sorry, but as much as I'd like to blame Ramsey for the loss, the offensive play calling sucked, just as it has all season, this was not all just Ramsey's int.

12-13-2004, 01:38 AM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Oh and one more point.... the NFL seriously needs to look at the refferee situation in the offseason. I'm not going to say they cost us this game, even though they MAY have. But they have been horrible all over the league. and while human error is going to happen somtimes, its getting alitte out of hand. __________________ #21

12-13-2004, 01:53 AM	#15
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Very frustrating game to watch.. THe same old themes that have plauged us continue to persist. Time management, bad, play calling, worse, stupid penalties, the worst. Mike Sellers should be cut at 9am or as soon as the league offices open. You can't be on the field for 15 plays a game and cost your team 30 yds. That 2nd penalty was just inexucsable, we could have had the ball at the 50 yd line, with momentum and he does some old dumb sh*t that killed us. I hate to say this about Coach Gibbs, but he's coaching scared. I don't know if he still doesn't trust Ramsey or what, but today's NFL isn't a horizontal game, it's a vertical game. You have to push the ball down the field occasionally. All the WR screens and hitches don't do you a bit of good when you always have 3rd and 7. Not going for it when the ball is at the Eagles 47 and it's 4th and less than a yard, c'mon. Show some guts. On the other hand, getting stuffed twice on 3rd & 1 just shows how predictable we've gotten. Where's the play-action there? Where was the bunch formation tonight? Why wait until the 4th quarter to break out the moving pocket? Gibbs needs to hire a TRUE offensive coordinator (not Pops Breaux) to design some contemporary plays including the shotgun. The time management is inexcusable. Running the play clock down to 3 seconds every play is not good. Not having plays ready for down and distance isn't good. It seems that Gibbs is really struggling with this aspect still. I don't think the refs helped at all in the 4th quarter. We shouldn't have had to burn that timeout if the replay ref would have called down sooner. I think the past few weeks have shown that we have the players for the most part and we have the potential to be successful but we need to get current with what the rest of the league is doing and turn some of these close losses into wins.

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