Whose QB Should We Choose?

SmootSmack · 04-24-2011, 06:31 PM

So, the general word is that the two QBs at the top of the Redskins board are Andy Dalton and Jake Locker..

How viable that is, who knows for sure. But let's assume that's true for the purposes of this discussion.

So Kyle Shanahan is an Andy Dalton guy, and Mike Shanahan is a Jake Locker guy.

Question here is who should get to pick his QB?

On the one hand-Mike Shanahan is the President and Head Coach of the team. Ultimately he's accountable for everything. On the other hand, we're running Kyle Shanahan's offense, he's the one calling the plays, and he's likely a longer term fixture on the Redskins sideline (unless he bolts for someplace else) than his dad.

This isn't about which QB you think we should draft, just whose choice do you think it should be?

GTripp0012 · 04-24-2011, 06:37 PM

I don't know that there is a good answer here, but I do not think that Mike Shanahan picking his guy is good for the franchise. When the QB they select is in his prime, Mike Shanahan will not be the coach here (and Kyle probably won't be on the staff either). If we want to enjoy better short-term (i.e. 2012) success, it should probably be a player that fits in Kyle Shanahan's scheme. But I would rather they take the player with the highest consensus upside instead.

SmootSmack · 04-24-2011, 06:47 PM

Yeah, most ideal is someone they could all agree on. But reality is consensus picks rarely happen. There's always someone who makes the tie-breaking call. Or you agree that to defer your choice this time around to get yours next time around.

This is usually between the coach and general manager, not the coach and offensive coordinator.

But, here's another way to look at it I guess. Should Mike Shanahan, with ultimately the tie-breaking power, defer his opinion to Kyle Shanahan. Or should he go with his opinion and his guy because-as I said earlier-ultimately he's accountable for everything

musicmaster45 · 04-24-2011, 06:50 PM

I would go with Dalton. Kyle is our OC. He calls the plays. Yes some bootlegs and other things similar are still included but in kyle's offense less of that is needed. Matt Schaub who isn't incredibly athletic thrived in his system, because he is accurate and has a fairly good arm. That is why Dalton will be the best choice. And besides, Dalton will be ready for the NFL faster.

Dirtbag59 · 04-24-2011, 06:51 PM

Kyle's. Especially since Kyle is not only calling the plays but there's also a distinct possibility that Kyle will be here even after his father is gone. So if we're setting up for the long run I would much rather have a QB that Kyle is comfortable with.

So lets see.

Kyle QB's: Dalton, Ponder, Mallet.

Mike QB's: Locker, Newton, Kaepernick

Best fit for both: Gabbert

NM Redskin · 04-24-2011, 07:15 PM

I would probably go Mike, I think he is the proven talent evaluator. I like Kyle and he is no doubt talented, but I like Mike's track record better.

GTripp0012 · 04-24-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, most ideal is someone they could all agree on. But reality is consensus picks rarely happen. There's always someone who makes the tie-breaking call. Or you agree that to defer your choice this time around to get yours next time around.

This is usually between the coach and general manager, not the coach and offensive coordinator.

But, here's another way to look at it I guess. Should Mike Shanahan, with ultimately the tie-breaking power, defer his opinion to Kyle Shanahan. Or should he go with his opinion and his guy because-as I said earlier-ultimately he's accountable for everything

Well, if it wasn't Kyle, Mike wouldn't be deferring his opinion to anyone else. I don't think that's inherently good or bad -- they can do what they want since either they turn this thing around relatively quickly, or the Redskins are going to have to tear down and rebuild again in a couple years when they are both gone.

Because of the above, if Mike Shanahan really thinks that Kyle can/should win with Jake Locker, there's no reason to defer and pick Dalton. But this has the smell of the Russell/Quinn Raiders pick of 2007: if the guy in charge makes the call and he's wrong and ultimately responsible, you're still nowhere good three years from now. People will get fired, and the organization will not have a direction.

It probably makes a difference if Kyle is more pro-Dalton or anti-Locker.

GTripp0012 · 04-24-2011, 07:43 PM

By consensus, I meant "conventional wisdom" not "in the evaluation of the Redskins coaching staff." I may be the last guy to cite conventional wisdom, but the Redskins need the guy who is the most prototypical quarterback available, because I don't believe they can afford to switch QBs when the offense changes.

Such is the problem when the organization is lead by a 57 year old head honcho. The strategies have to center around a "win now" philosophy because there is no tomorrow.

warriorzpath · 04-24-2011, 08:30 PM

If there is really a definite line drawn and there are strong opinions on both sides of the fence, then mike shanahan must really strongly consider kyles choice. I think you have to go by what was unofficially reported with the mcnabb trade. It was said that the mcnabb trade was solely initiated and decided by mike shanahan and Kyle S. was not really involved. Going by past history and results, Mike S. can't afford to make this same mistake twice.

Lotus · 04-24-2011, 08:37 PM

In this scenario, Dalton. Kyle runs the offense. He should get his guy.

SmootSmack · 04-24-2011, 08:37 PM

Well, to say that Kyle wasn't involved in the trade isn't true. He was and thought it would take some work to get McNabb to where he (Kyle) wanted him to be. He wasn't highly in favor of it, but he knew what was going down and didn't flat out say no. But I see your point

SmootSmack · 04-24-2011, 08:41 PM

By the way, although I prefer Locker to Dalton I would agree that we should go with Kyle's guy.

Mike already put his reputation out there by choosing his son to run the offense. Some already see that as nepotism. So he might as well really show that he believes he chose the right guy to run his offense by letting him pick his guy.

warriorzpath · 04-24-2011, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, to say that Kyle wasn't involved in the trade isn't true. He was and thought it would take some work to get McNabb to where he (Kyle) wanted him to be. He wasn't highly in favor of it, but he knew what was going down and didn't flat out say no. But I see your point

Hopefully both Mike and Kyle shanahan learned from the mcnabb mistake then. Mike S.: that it's not just his offense anymore and he needs to work with Kyle closely. Kyle: to not be so passive in important personnel decisions, especially with ones that greatly impact the offense that he is responsible for.

SOUL-SKINS · 04-24-2011, 08:59 PM

J. Jones in first. Kyles man Dalton in the second. Let's give Kyle some toys.

rypper11 · 04-24-2011, 09:01 PM

If we were to assume that Rex was Kyle's guy and DM was more Mike's (even though Kyle didn't flat out say no to DM), then I'd go with Kyle's.
Kyle is going to work more closely with the qb than Mike is and if he can't get along with the qb (as McNabb's agent said) then any qb won't develop well.

Of course I'd rather have Rex this year, draft defense exclusively this year and get a qb next year.

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04-24-2011, 06:31 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Whose QB Should We Choose? So, the general word is that the two QBs at the top of the Redskins board are Andy Dalton and Jake Locker.. How viable that is, who knows for sure. But let's assume that's true for the purposes of this discussion. So Kyle Shanahan is an Andy Dalton guy, and Mike Shanahan is a Jake Locker guy. Question here is who should get to pick his QB? On the one hand-Mike Shanahan is the President and Head Coach of the team. Ultimately he's accountable for everything. On the other hand, we're running Kyle Shanahan's offense, he's the one calling the plays, and he's likely a longer term fixture on the Redskins sideline (unless he bolts for someplace else) than his dad. This isn't about which QB you think we should draft, just whose choice do you think it should be? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-24-2011, 06:37 PM	#2
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? I don't know that there is a good answer here, but I do not think that Mike Shanahan picking his guy is good for the franchise. When the QB they select is in his prime, Mike Shanahan will not be the coach here (and Kyle probably won't be on the staff either). If we want to enjoy better short-term (i.e. 2012) success, it should probably be a player that fits in Kyle Shanahan's scheme. But I would rather they take the player with the highest consensus upside instead. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-24-2011, 06:47 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Yeah, most ideal is someone they could all agree on. But reality is consensus picks rarely happen. There's always someone who makes the tie-breaking call. Or you agree that to defer your choice this time around to get yours next time around. This is usually between the coach and general manager, not the coach and offensive coordinator. But, here's another way to look at it I guess. Should Mike Shanahan, with ultimately the tie-breaking power, defer his opinion to Kyle Shanahan. Or should he go with his opinion and his guy because-as I said earlier-ultimately he's accountable for everything __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-24-2011, 06:50 PM	#4
musicmaster45 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 374	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? I would go with Dalton. Kyle is our OC. He calls the plays. Yes some bootlegs and other things similar are still included but in kyle's offense less of that is needed. Matt Schaub who isn't incredibly athletic thrived in his system, because he is accurate and has a fairly good arm. That is why Dalton will be the best choice. And besides, Dalton will be ready for the NFL faster. __________________ Shanahann loves the colleges i do...... Purdue and Nebraska FTW!!!!

04-24-2011, 06:51 PM	#5
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Kyle's. Especially since Kyle is not only calling the plays but there's also a distinct possibility that Kyle will be here even after his father is gone. So if we're setting up for the long run I would much rather have a QB that Kyle is comfortable with. So lets see. Kyle QB's: Dalton, Ponder, Mallet. Mike QB's: Locker, Newton, Kaepernick Best fit for both: Gabbert __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

04-24-2011, 07:15 PM	#6
NM Redskin The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,014	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? I would probably go Mike, I think he is the proven talent evaluator. I like Kyle and he is no doubt talented, but I like Mike's track record better. __________________ Despite my solid 40 time and great intangibles I went undrafted AGAIN!

04-24-2011, 07:43 PM	#8
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? By consensus, I meant "conventional wisdom" not "in the evaluation of the Redskins coaching staff." I may be the last guy to cite conventional wisdom, but the Redskins need the guy who is the most prototypical quarterback available, because I don't believe they can afford to switch QBs when the offense changes. Such is the problem when the organization is lead by a 57 year old head honcho. The strategies have to center around a "win now" philosophy because there is no tomorrow. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-24-2011, 08:30 PM	#9
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? If there is really a definite line drawn and there are strong opinions on both sides of the fence, then mike shanahan must really strongly consider kyles choice. I think you have to go by what was unofficially reported with the mcnabb trade. It was said that the mcnabb trade was solely initiated and decided by mike shanahan and Kyle S. was not really involved. Going by past history and results, Mike S. can't afford to make this same mistake twice.

04-24-2011, 08:37 PM	#10
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? In this scenario, Dalton. Kyle runs the offense. He should get his guy. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

04-24-2011, 08:37 PM	#11
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Well, to say that Kyle wasn't involved in the trade isn't true. He was and thought it would take some work to get McNabb to where he (Kyle) wanted him to be. He wasn't highly in favor of it, but he knew what was going down and didn't flat out say no. But I see your point __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-24-2011, 08:41 PM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? By the way, although I prefer Locker to Dalton I would agree that we should go with Kyle's guy. Mike already put his reputation out there by choosing his son to run the offense. Some already see that as nepotism. So he might as well really show that he believes he chose the right guy to run his offense by letting him pick his guy. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-24-2011, 08:59 PM	#14
SOUL-SKINS Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 896	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? J. Jones in first. Kyles man Dalton in the second. Let's give Kyle some toys. __________________ TODD COLLINS WILL ALWAYS HOLD A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART

04-24-2011, 09:01 PM	#15
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? If we were to assume that Rex was Kyle's guy and DM was more Mike's (even though Kyle didn't flat out say no to DM), then I'd go with Kyle's. Kyle is going to work more closely with the qb than Mike is and if he can't get along with the qb (as McNabb's agent said) then any qb won't develop well. Of course I'd rather have Rex this year, draft defense exclusively this year and get a qb next year. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

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