Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming

GMScud · 04-25-2011, 07:21 PM

In an effort not to bury today's big news, I'm closing the current CBA thread and starting a new one, with Judge Nelson's decision today as the jump off.

Judge rules for NFL players, lifts owners' lockout - ESPN

NC_Skins · 04-25-2011, 07:24 PM

Guys, you have the next 5 mins to submit all your trades, signing, cuts before we make the appeal...GO GO GO!

*reposted from closed thread*

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-25-2011, 07:50 PM

Unless the court of appeals issues a verdict immediately, free agency starts now.

Swarley · 04-25-2011, 08:07 PM

from what all these legal analysts are saying, this means nothing in terms of what is allowed right now since there aren't any rules to go by. Then again they also sound pretty confused themselves.

MTK · 04-25-2011, 08:08 PM

Yeah safe to say, free agency is not starting now.

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-25-2011, 08:11 PM

If there's no rules to go by then nothing stops teams from signing free agents, other tha. Waiting for permission from the league to do so... However if they wait for permission the players will file an antitrust suit since the league can't impose any kind of rules over the teams and players without a unionized force.

musicmaster45 · 04-25-2011, 08:13 PM

Either San Fransisco or Arizona will try for Kolb. I think quarterbacks will be the only significant movement

Lotus · 04-25-2011, 08:33 PM

If the Circuit Court grants a stay right away, there will be no player movement right now.

Also, before there can be player movement, the 32 teams have to agree on ground rules. One would think that they had planned for this contingency (such as agreeing to reinstate last year's rules) but right now that does not seem to be the case.

Anyhow, in courtroom football the players win the first game. If we want a quick end to this fiasco, let's hope that they stay undefeated.

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-25-2011, 08:43 PM

Its my understanding that The teams can't agree on rules without violating antitrust laws. The judge ruled that the decertification of the union was legit; therefore 32 teams can't impose uniform rules on a non-unionized workforce.

Personally I'm hoping the circuit court grants a stay and the NFL wins an appeal. The players have too much power an the owners have none. The union can strike but the NFL can't lockout. It's not fair. This situation is just going to force the owners to make another bad deal.

Lotus · 04-25-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its my understanding that The teams can't agree on rules without violating antitrust laws. The judge ruled that the decertification of the union was legit; therefore 32 teams can't impose uniform rules on a non-unionized workforce.

Personally I'm hoping the circuit court grants a stay and the NFL wins an appeal. The players have too much power an the owners have none. The union can strike but the NFL can't lockout. It's not fair. This situation is just going to force the owners to make another bad deal.

In an extreme, Jeff Kessler interpretation, you are correct about antitrust laws. But teams are operating as if such extreme interpretations will not win the day. Example: the draft, which involves teams agreeing upon uniform rules.

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-25-2011, 09:14 PM

Well the 2011 draft was agreed upon as part of the last CBA.

Swarley · 04-25-2011, 09:19 PM

Ryan Clark to Steelers: Show up for work tomorrow at 8:00 a.m.

this is gonna get wacky!

edit:

Forgot to post this first

NFL won’t start league year without chance to seek a stay | ProFootballTalk

Quote:

Originally Posted by PFT

“We do not intend to start the league year until we have had an opportunity to seek a stay,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT via e-mail.

In other words, if they show up, they’re not getting in.

It seems like a reasonable position. But it’s a calculated risk. The lockout is, until further notice, over. Any team that fails to honor that order could be in trouble.

skinsfaninok · 04-25-2011, 09:19 PM

Yes!!

skinsfaninok · 04-25-2011, 09:30 PM

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Dirtbag59 · 04-25-2011, 09:57 PM

Okay well now I'm not sure if I was right or not about what happens after the judge lifts the lockout. On one hand I got the obvious part right in that the NFL would appeal. However I wonder if what I was told (mini-camps and free agency in June at the earliest assuming the NFL looses on appeal) will hold up.

At the very least it looks like existing players will be allowed to use the facilities again to workout and train.

04-25-2011, 07:21 PM	#1
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming In an effort not to bury today's big news, I'm closing the current CBA thread and starting a new one, with Judge Nelson's decision today as the jump off. Judge rules for NFL players, lifts owners' lockout - ESPN __________________ Tardy

04-25-2011, 07:24 PM	#2
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,496	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming Guys, you have the next 5 mins to submit all your trades, signing, cuts before we make the appeal...GO GO GO! reposted from closed thread

04-25-2011, 07:50 PM	#3
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming Unless the court of appeals issues a verdict immediately, free agency starts now. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

04-25-2011, 08:07 PM	#4
Swarley The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 1,092	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming from what all these legal analysts are saying, this means nothing in terms of what is allowed right now since there aren't any rules to go by. Then again they also sound pretty confused themselves. __________________ doing it all in the spirit of the salary cap!

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04-25-2011, 08:11 PM	#6
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming If there's no rules to go by then nothing stops teams from signing free agents, other tha. Waiting for permission from the league to do so... However if they wait for permission the players will file an antitrust suit since the league can't impose any kind of rules over the teams and players without a unionized force. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

04-25-2011, 08:13 PM	#7
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04-25-2011, 08:33 PM	#8
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming If the Circuit Court grants a stay right away, there will be no player movement right now. Also, before there can be player movement, the 32 teams have to agree on ground rules. One would think that they had planned for this contingency (such as agreeing to reinstate last year's rules) but right now that does not seem to be the case. Anyhow, in courtroom football the players win the first game. If we want a quick end to this fiasco, let's hope that they stay undefeated. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

04-25-2011, 08:43 PM	#9
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming Its my understanding that The teams can't agree on rules without violating antitrust laws. The judge ruled that the decertification of the union was legit; therefore 32 teams can't impose uniform rules on a non-unionized workforce. Personally I'm hoping the circuit court grants a stay and the NFL wins an appeal. The players have too much power an the owners have none. The union can strike but the NFL can't lockout. It's not fair. This situation is just going to force the owners to make another bad deal. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

04-25-2011, 09:14 PM	#11
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming Well the 2011 draft was agreed upon as part of the last CBA. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

04-25-2011, 09:19 PM	#13
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04-25-2011, 09:30 PM	#14
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,149	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming DeAngelo Hall talks lockout, reflects on making $1M a game, calls Cutler a clown \| ProFootballTalk __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

04-25-2011, 09:57 PM	#15
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: Judge grants motion, lifts lockout; owners' appeal coming Okay well now I'm not sure if I was right or not about what happens after the judge lifts the lockout. On one hand I got the obvious part right in that the NFL would appeal. However I wonder if what I was told (mini-camps and free agency in June at the earliest assuming the NFL looses on appeal) will hold up. At the very least it looks like existing players will be allowed to use the facilities again to workout and train. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

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