Kiper on Mike Williams & Braylon Edwards

MTK · 01-06-2005, 11:42 PM

Ryan (Richmond, VA): Mel, your 9th best prospect...Braylon Edwards. Redskins get 9th pick...could there be a better fit?

Mel Kiper: That would be a good fit .. esp. if he runs a good 40 time. Speed is very important to the Redskins in this draft. If he runs a good 40, he very well could be a Redskin. He will go top 10 overall.

Paul, Ohio: Will Mike Williams get drafted before Braylon Edwards?

Mel Kiper: I'd say probably no. Braylon will go first. Braylon had a good year but did drop some balls. But when you look at him overall, he did a heck of a job. There are lingering concerns about how fast Williams is right now. The workout for him in terms of speed will be huge. I think he goes 10-20 and Braylon goes in the top 10. The under the radar super blue chipper of the Jr. WRs has already declared .. Troy Williamson from South Carolina. He was a track star in H.S., incredible speed, he averaged 28 yards as a freshman, 99 yard TD as a sophomore, 19.4 yards per catch this year in that offense ... he can flat out fly. He was productive in a non passign offense. He could end up in the top 15 of the draft and nobody is talking about him.

shallyshal · 01-06-2005, 11:54 PM

mark it down... the redskins will NOT spend the #9 pick on a receiver. why??

too much bad history of premium receiver picks flaming out (howard, westbrook,gardner..

receivers almost always have a bigger impact their second and third years as they learn the pro game. the skins need impact next year.

there is a far greater need for help on the interior of the o line and for a dominant edge pass rusher. trading down to secure more picks makes so much more sense.
then select someone like brown or baas.

there will be little difference between edwards and some of the guys that will fall into the second round. a guy like craph thorpe could end up being another anquan boldin

there will be free agent wideouts that could help the skins. perhaps a guy like houshmanzadeh or even someone like porter

Beemnseven · 01-07-2005, 12:20 AM

Well, Kiper basically destroys my theory that Mike Williams will be gone by the fifth pick.

Don't rule out a wide receiver with the ninth pick. If Gardner and McCants are gone -- Coles, Thrash, and Jacobs is a really thin WR lineup.

Not only that, we need more help at center and guard. I don't think either of those positions has ever been drafted inside the top ten of the draft.

I could see a D-lineman taken by the Skins though.

Big C · 01-07-2005, 12:39 AM

kiper has a lot of knowledge about players, but he is wrong an awful lot.

jamf · 01-07-2005, 12:54 AM

edwards IS rod gardner

Pros:
Great size strenth and the ability to go up and get the ball. Great vertical. Shows good play making ability and a great leader. Also has the break away speed to get past the secondary.
Cons:
Sometimes drops easy passes. He will catch the tough passes and drops the easy catches. Sometimes he also makes an easy catch look tough by jumping when he could stay on the ground and gain extra yards.

Overall:
Great athlete, good size at 6'3" Great vertical jump. Braylon should be a top 20 pick.

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com...index.php?id=8

Big C · 01-07-2005, 01:21 AM

gardner isnt a great leader though, but yes the catching seems similar

Shane · 01-07-2005, 04:55 AM

There are too many ways to get players to lock yourself in to picking for any particular position with a given draft pick.

To me the smartest thing to do is to get the best available player, according to what your standards are for that. That way you are adding the most talent and ability to your team as possible.

If you have 10 hall of fame caliber players in the first round, but none of them play the position you most want to draft for, to me you're not real smart if you draft a player at that position and not get one of the top flight players. You want the most overall value for your choice.

We definitely need to get a wide receiver or two - but we can draft them if necessary with our other picks or sign free agents, rather than stretch to take a player just because he's a wide receiver.

Daseal · 01-07-2005, 08:37 AM

I like Edwards, and I agree that Williams speed is questionable. I want to see both of their combine workouts. By then hopefully some FA stuff will have transpired so the field is a bit clearer.

FRPLG · 01-07-2005, 09:27 AM

I think we can get more of an impact player with a DL than a WR. I'd love James out of Wisconsin I believe

Paintrain · 01-07-2005, 11:41 AM

I think with our aforementioned lack of success at picking WR in the 1st round, we will pass on taking either of them. I would love to see us go get Jerry Porter in free agency. He's had a few injuries, but if I'm not mistaken isn't he from the DC area? He could be our first day of free agency splash. You know we have to have one!

celts32 · 01-07-2005, 02:30 PM

Porter no way. We need a quiet workmanlike free agency this year. No splashes! Edwards hands do scare me enough to not want him at 9. The last thing the skins need is more suspect hands on the WR corp. I do think the skins need a burner at WR, but I would rather trade down and still be able to draft a WR high and someone else to fill another need.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-07-2005, 04:29 PM

With all of this Randy Moss talk, I might as well just say it.

Why not just go after Plaxico and use the draft pick on OL or DE?

AnonEmouse · 01-07-2005, 04:50 PM

As no expert, I'll defer to better knowledge, but out of Clark, Monk and Sanders, only Monk was a first round pick. The other 2 came from small colleges, and Clark even had to go to the USFL to get playing time (OK not a great argument considering some of the other ex-USFL players!

).

This makes me think, consider what we have given up for Coles and Jacobs? Should we really be looking at drafting so high for a speedy WR with good hands? Should we be looking at the FA market for a marquee WR? I say no to both and look in the lower rounds, or trade down, for a WR and use the picks that matter for a blue chip DE or C.

MTK · 01-07-2005, 04:53 PM

Edward's scouting report does remind me a lot of Gardner's when he first came out.

Defensewins · 01-07-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Edward's scouting report does remind me a lot of Gardner's when he first came out.

"Also has the break away speed to get past the secondary."
I don't think you can say that about Gardner.

01-06-2005, 11:42 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Kiper on Mike Williams & Braylon Edwards Ryan (Richmond, VA): Mel, your 9th best prospect...Braylon Edwards. Redskins get 9th pick...could there be a better fit? Mel Kiper: That would be a good fit .. esp. if he runs a good 40 time. Speed is very important to the Redskins in this draft. If he runs a good 40, he very well could be a Redskin. He will go top 10 overall. Paul, Ohio: Will Mike Williams get drafted before Braylon Edwards? Mel Kiper: I'd say probably no. Braylon will go first. Braylon had a good year but did drop some balls. But when you look at him overall, he did a heck of a job. There are lingering concerns about how fast Williams is right now. The workout for him in terms of speed will be huge. I think he goes 10-20 and Braylon goes in the top 10. The under the radar super blue chipper of the Jr. WRs has already declared .. Troy Williamson from South Carolina. He was a track star in H.S., incredible speed, he averaged 28 yards as a freshman, 99 yard TD as a sophomore, 19.4 yards per catch this year in that offense ... he can flat out fly. He was productive in a non passign offense. He could end up in the top 15 of the draft and nobody is talking about him.

01-07-2005, 12:39 AM	#4
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	kiper has a lot of knowledge about players, but he is wrong an awful lot. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-07-2005, 01:21 AM	#6
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	gardner isnt a great leader though, but yes the catching seems similar __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-07-2005, 04:29 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	With all of this Randy Moss talk, I might as well just say it. Why not just go after Plaxico and use the draft pick on OL or DE? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-06-2005, 11:54 PM	#2
shallyshal Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 336	mark it down... the redskins will NOT spend the #9 pick on a receiver. why?? too much bad history of premium receiver picks flaming out (howard, westbrook,gardner.. receivers almost always have a bigger impact their second and third years as they learn the pro game. the skins need impact next year. there is a far greater need for help on the interior of the o line and for a dominant edge pass rusher. trading down to secure more picks makes so much more sense. then select someone like brown or baas. there will be little difference between edwards and some of the guys that will fall into the second round. a guy like craph thorpe could end up being another anquan boldin there will be free agent wideouts that could help the skins. perhaps a guy like houshmanzadeh or even someone like porter

01-07-2005, 12:20 AM	#3
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Well, Kiper basically destroys my theory that Mike Williams will be gone by the fifth pick. Don't rule out a wide receiver with the ninth pick. If Gardner and McCants are gone -- Coles, Thrash, and Jacobs is a really thin WR lineup. Not only that, we need more help at center and guard. I don't think either of those positions has ever been drafted inside the top ten of the draft. I could see a D-lineman taken by the Skins though.

01-07-2005, 12:54 AM	#5
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,319	edwards IS rod gardner Pros: Great size strenth and the ability to go up and get the ball. Great vertical. Shows good play making ability and a great leader. Also has the break away speed to get past the secondary. Cons: Sometimes drops easy passes. He will catch the tough passes and drops the easy catches. Sometimes he also makes an easy catch look tough by jumping when he could stay on the ground and gain extra yards. Overall: Great athlete, good size at 6'3" Great vertical jump. Braylon should be a top 20 pick. http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com...index.php?id=8

01-07-2005, 04:55 AM	#7
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	There are too many ways to get players to lock yourself in to picking for any particular position with a given draft pick. To me the smartest thing to do is to get the best available player, according to what your standards are for that. That way you are adding the most talent and ability to your team as possible. If you have 10 hall of fame caliber players in the first round, but none of them play the position you most want to draft for, to me you're not real smart if you draft a player at that position and not get one of the top flight players. You want the most overall value for your choice. We definitely need to get a wide receiver or two - but we can draft them if necessary with our other picks or sign free agents, rather than stretch to take a player just because he's a wide receiver.

01-07-2005, 08:37 AM	#8
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I like Edwards, and I agree that Williams speed is questionable. I want to see both of their combine workouts. By then hopefully some FA stuff will have transpired so the field is a bit clearer.

01-07-2005, 09:27 AM	#9
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	I think we can get more of an impact player with a DL than a WR. I'd love James out of Wisconsin I believe

01-07-2005, 11:41 AM	#10
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	I think with our aforementioned lack of success at picking WR in the 1st round, we will pass on taking either of them. I would love to see us go get Jerry Porter in free agency. He's had a few injuries, but if I'm not mistaken isn't he from the DC area? He could be our first day of free agency splash. You know we have to have one!

01-07-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Porter no way. We need a quiet workmanlike free agency this year. No splashes! Edwards hands do scare me enough to not want him at 9. The last thing the skins need is more suspect hands on the WR corp. I do think the skins need a burner at WR, but I would rather trade down and still be able to draft a WR high and someone else to fill another need.

01-07-2005, 04:50 PM	#13
AnonEmouse The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 58 Posts: 2,442	As no expert, I'll defer to better knowledge, but out of Clark, Monk and Sanders, only Monk was a first round pick. The other 2 came from small colleges, and Clark even had to go to the USFL to get playing time (OK not a great argument considering some of the other ex-USFL players! ). This makes me think, consider what we have given up for Coles and Jacobs? Should we really be looking at drafting so high for a speedy WR with good hands? Should we be looking at the FA market for a marquee WR? I say no to both and look in the lower rounds, or trade down, for a WR and use the picks that matter for a blue chip DE or C.

01-07-2005, 04:53 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Edward's scouting report does remind me a lot of Gardner's when he first came out.

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