Yet Another Wide Receiver Thread

SmootSmack · 02-07-2005, 01:44 PM

The Patriots have a couple of guys they have to think about re-signing:

David Patten

David Givens (I think he's a restricted free agent actually)

Anyway, you guys think we should go after either of these two?

Gmanc711 · 02-07-2005, 01:49 PM

Its so hard to say, because we dont really know how effecitve Coles can be w/ his toe anymore; so I'm thinking more of a big play guy. Patten has been around a while, and is a good, but over all and average reciver. Givens however, when you look at his numbers, you see nothing but improvement; so if I had to take one of the two guys, I'd say Givens.

MTK · 02-07-2005, 02:12 PM

It's hard to tell what these guys could do in an expanded role. The way the Patriots do it now is a WR by committee approach as each guy kinda rotates being the go to guy.

As I was watching the game last night I was wondering what Branch would be like as a true #2.

Daseal · 02-07-2005, 03:21 PM

I'm not personally for them. I would rather keep Gardner or give McCants/Jacobs an expanded role than taking one of these two (who would also probably look for a contract.)

jermus22 · 02-07-2005, 03:44 PM

Can't say I'm big on Givens or Patten either. Patten is a pretty average receiver (as mentioned earlier) and although Givens is fairly effective around the goal line, we already get that same quality from Gardner (who I still think we should trade) and McCants (who is under-utilized).
I know it's off the topic, but I think we would do well to use also Rock Cartwright in short yardage and goal line situations. He was very good in that role under Spurrier, and while he doesn't have Portis's all around skills and big play ability, he is stockier, tougher, and harder to see when running for hard-earned yards between the tackles. Curious about what others think on the subject.

SmootSmack · 02-07-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jermus22

I know it's off the topic, but I think we would do well to use also Rock Cartwright in short yardage and goal line situations. He was very good in that role under Spurrier, and while he doesn't have Portis's all around skills and big play ability, he is stockier, tougher, and harder to see when running for hard-earned yards between the tackles. Curious about what others think on the subject.

This is worthy of another thread. You want to start one jermus?

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-07-2005, 03:54 PM

I would think that Betts is a better goalline guy than Cartwright.

SkinsRock · 02-07-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I would think that Betts is a better goalline guy than Cartwright.

Plus Cartright slimmed down to be more of a running back size, so he wouldn't be as stocky and tough...but he could still "sneak underneath the pile" to get short yardage or a TD.
That said, I think he's probably gone this offseason, or as least limited to special teams again. Betts is better, or I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up another bigger back that could be used in those situations (someone fairly cheap in free agency or maybe even a late round draft pick or undrafted FA).

SkinsRock · 02-07-2005, 04:12 PM

Hey, if Givens or Patten can catch the ball 90% of the time it is thrown to them, it would be an improvement over RG. To be honest, I don't think we need a "big name" like Burress or one of the top draft prospects....but that's just me. Just another solid guy with decent size that has good hands. Of course, this is assuming Coles gets back to at least 85-90% healthy and can stretch the field like he is supposed to.

jbcjr14 · 02-07-2005, 05:47 PM

that was pretty funny....but remember, at least they got there! Remember when we all said that after the Raider defeat in Jan 84?

Shane · 02-08-2005, 03:43 PM

It's hard to say how good some of these guys are because they such a strong team approach. There is a tendency to give Tom Brady a lot of the credit, but maybe those receivers make Brady look better than he would otherwise, but they are perceived as "average."

With our defense, we tended to say that Arrington was such a huge part of the success we had - and then he goes out, we find out some other guys could play that no fan would have thought could remotely do what they did this season. Our team ethic and gave them a chance for their talents to come out.

Anyway I think the path to success for our offense is getting it going with the same team ethic, and that means you don't have to go to the star search approach, where you have to find the home run hitter in free agency, to mix a sports metaphor.

I can see Taylor Jacobs fitting into that, and James Thrash - those are team guys. But Rod Gardner doesn't strike me as Mr. Team, nor does Darnerian "no special teams" McCants, nor does Laveranues Coles, in my perception, strike me as a "all for one and one for all type" although I hope I am wrong about that.

FRPLG · 02-07-2005, 05:49 PM

These guys scream "free agent bust" when you look at them. Neither has been a #1 or #2 really since they use the good ole commitee approach. I'd rather play it safe and avoid these type of guys.

Balmerskinsfan · 02-08-2005, 03:30 PM

Please god, no Spike Burress. No overpaid names either. Here's a novel idea. Draft for the damn position for once instead of screwing around w/free agents.

SkinsRock · 02-09-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Balmerskinsfan

Please god, no Spike Burress. No overpaid names either. Here's a novel idea. Draft for the damn position for once instead of screwing around w/free agents.

Gardner, Jacobs, and McCants were all drafted by the Skins, and Thrash was an undrafted FA that was originally signed by the Skins. Coles was a FA, but I don't see anyone wanting to get rid of him.
As for this year, I think they could go either way....a younger FA, or draft a WR...or both (as long as they're not to expensive).

02-07-2005, 03:44 PM	#5
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 42 Posts: 335	Can't say I'm big on Givens or Patten either. Patten is a pretty average receiver (as mentioned earlier) and although Givens is fairly effective around the goal line, we already get that same quality from Gardner (who I still think we should trade) and McCants (who is under-utilized). I know it's off the topic, but I think we would do well to use also Rock Cartwright in short yardage and goal line situations. He was very good in that role under Spurrier, and while he doesn't have Portis's all around skills and big play ability, he is stockier, tougher, and harder to see when running for hard-earned yards between the tackles. Curious about what others think on the subject. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

02-07-2005, 03:54 PM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	I would think that Betts is a better goalline guy than Cartwright. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-07-2005, 05:47 PM	#10
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	that was pretty funny....but remember, at least they got there! Remember when we all said that after the Raider defeat in Jan 84? __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

02-07-2005, 01:44 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Yet Another Wide Receiver Thread The Patriots have a couple of guys they have to think about re-signing: David Patten David Givens (I think he's a restricted free agent actually) Anyway, you guys think we should go after either of these two? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-07-2005, 01:49 PM	#2
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Its so hard to say, because we dont really know how effecitve Coles can be w/ his toe anymore; so I'm thinking more of a big play guy. Patten has been around a while, and is a good, but over all and average reciver. Givens however, when you look at his numbers, you see nothing but improvement; so if I had to take one of the two guys, I'd say Givens. __________________ #21

02-07-2005, 02:12 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	It's hard to tell what these guys could do in an expanded role. The way the Patriots do it now is a WR by committee approach as each guy kinda rotates being the go to guy. As I was watching the game last night I was wondering what Branch would be like as a true #2.

02-07-2005, 03:21 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I'm not personally for them. I would rather keep Gardner or give McCants/Jacobs an expanded role than taking one of these two (who would also probably look for a contract.)

02-07-2005, 04:12 PM	#9
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Hey, if Givens or Patten can catch the ball 90% of the time it is thrown to them, it would be an improvement over RG. To be honest, I don't think we need a "big name" like Burress or one of the top draft prospects....but that's just me. Just another solid guy with decent size that has good hands. Of course, this is assuming Coles gets back to at least 85-90% healthy and can stretch the field like he is supposed to.

02-08-2005, 03:43 PM	#11
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	It's hard to say how good some of these guys are because they such a strong team approach. There is a tendency to give Tom Brady a lot of the credit, but maybe those receivers make Brady look better than he would otherwise, but they are perceived as "average." With our defense, we tended to say that Arrington was such a huge part of the success we had - and then he goes out, we find out some other guys could play that no fan would have thought could remotely do what they did this season. Our team ethic and gave them a chance for their talents to come out. Anyway I think the path to success for our offense is getting it going with the same team ethic, and that means you don't have to go to the star search approach, where you have to find the home run hitter in free agency, to mix a sports metaphor. I can see Taylor Jacobs fitting into that, and James Thrash - those are team guys. But Rod Gardner doesn't strike me as Mr. Team, nor does Darnerian "no special teams" McCants, nor does Laveranues Coles, in my perception, strike me as a "all for one and one for all type" although I hope I am wrong about that.

02-07-2005, 05:49 PM	#12
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	These guys scream "free agent bust" when you look at them. Neither has been a #1 or #2 really since they use the good ole commitee approach. I'd rather play it safe and avoid these type of guys.

02-08-2005, 03:30 PM	#13
Balmerskinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 66	Please god, no Spike Burress. No overpaid names either. Here's a novel idea. Draft for the damn position for once instead of screwing around w/free agents.

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