How the draft should go

Big C · 03-20-2004, 06:27 PM

Sean Taylor is a great player, and i would be happy if we took him at 5. I would also be dissapointed if we took winslow at 5. Vince Wilforks stock has risen due to his workouts, and tommie harris is moving up because of his 4.7-4.8 40 time. I feel that we could trade down to the 10 spot and pick up a 2nd rounder from the texans, and either get wilfork or Harris...at least one will still be there for sure. That is the weakest spot on our team...anyone agree?

Daseal · 03-20-2004, 08:04 PM

Not really. I don't see Wilfolk or Harris having the type of career or long-term impact that Taylor or Winslow would have. I think we need to go into this draft looking for talent. We can't fix every aspect of the team in one year and I think a lot of our defensive players deserve another shot under a real coordinator.

MTK · 03-20-2004, 09:01 PM

Something tells me the Skins could pull something that we're totally not expecting...

Daseal · 03-20-2004, 09:03 PM

Matty, I can also see that, doing something no one expects. It really depends on what kind of picks we could get for #5. With the talent at WR they have this year we could go WR. Just because Fitz, Roy and Mike W. are just so good.

NFLNetwork · 03-20-2004, 09:19 PM

Draft Taylor...thats what we should do. Damnit, i just want a great safety! when was the last time we had a great safety in DC? Look at the impact rodney harrison had on the Pats. No one want to cross the field when u had a 6'3 monster in the middle

silent1903 · 03-21-2004, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLNetwork

Draft Taylor...thats what we should do. Damnit, i just want a great safety! when was the last time we had a great safety in DC? Look at the impact rodney harrison had on the Pats. No one want to cross the field when u had a 6'3 monster in the middle

Totally agree with you. Let's have an impact safety to make all backfield players think about him. I don't think there's any guarantee about any of the D-line in the draft making an immediate impact, but Taylor is as close to a guarantee as you can have. We know Winslow is going to be a class act but I think we can get by without him. We need more impact on D.

beg8878 · 03-21-2004, 10:28 AM

I really don't think we can go wrong either way.Taylor and Winslow should both be stars in this league and I will be thrilled to have either.....

skins009 · 03-21-2004, 12:23 PM

Ya Tayler is much more than just a safery, he's a playmaker. When he's in the game teams will fear throwing the ball deep, one because he's a ball hawk and he'll pick it off, and two he'll smother anybody who decides to catch the ball. Teams will have to game plan around him.

Just look at some of the defense's in the league that are affected big time by good safties.
Phil. Brain Dawkins
Cowgirls Roy Williams
NEw England Rodney Harrison
Baltimore Ed Reed
I just hope we can add dc to this list.

Daseal · 03-21-2004, 01:30 PM

I love Taylor. He's a team leader, a hard hitter, a coverer and a game changer. Skins009 did a wonderful job of showing how Offensive coordinators have to plan for him every time.

However, defensive coordinators also would have one hell of a time with Winslow. Just look at how we deal with Shockey, lucky for us we have the talent we do at Linebacker and LaVar can really stick with him, however, most teams don't have a LB as versatile as LaVar and that's why Shockey was able to create havoc. DC's don't know if they should put a LB on him or a DB. He's too fast for most LBs and too big for most defensive backs. It leads to a lot of mis-matches and it causes so much headache for a defensive coordinator to have a versatile TE to worry about.

Now, after saying that, I want both of these guys, but I don't really see that happening. Both will be stars as long as injuries don't set in. I would really like to see one of the two wearing burgandy and gold come this fall. I'm just glad I don't have to make the decesion as to which one to draft or I'd be asking Dan Snyder for a quarter to flip right about now.

offiss · 03-21-2004, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I love Taylor. He's a team leader, a hard hitter, a coverer and a game changer. Skins009 did a wonderful job of showing how Offensive coordinators have to plan for him every time.

However, defensive coordinators also would have one hell of a time with Winslow. Just look at how we deal with Shockey, lucky for us we have the talent we do at Linebacker and LaVar can really stick with him, however, most teams don't have a LB as versatile as LaVar and that's why Shockey was able to create havoc. DC's don't know if they should put a LB on him or a DB. He's too fast for most LBs and too big for most defensive backs. It leads to a lot of mis-matches and it causes so much headache for a defensive coordinator to have a versatile TE to worry about.

Now, after saying that, I want both of these guys, but I don't really see that happening. Both will be stars as long as injuries don't set in. I would really like to see one of the two wearing burgandy and gold come this fall. I'm just glad I don't have to make the decesion as to which one to draft or I'd be asking Dan Snyder for a quarter to flip right about now.

Don't be so sure, Donny Warren predicted that we would trade next year's #1 for more pick's this year, I could see us packaging our #1 and a player or pick to move back up and get winslow, if we can fit both taylor and winslow under the cap I say do it, we can let the LB's rush the QB this year then all the line has to do is hold the point of attack, plus with all the mismatches I am anticipating that williams will create a lot of our line men will find themselves in very favorable positions to gey a clean shot at the QB, I say we do what we have to do to move up and get both player's, I also wouldn't be apposed to dumping some more pick's next year to get up into the late first or early second and grabbing a linemen, strike while the iron is hot, and there is a lot of hot prospect's this year, let's not wait around till next year, at this point the future is now!

Ghost · 03-21-2004, 04:57 PM

Trading next year's picks for picks this year would be crazy and I'd be against it. We can't afford both Winslow and Taylor. The Redskins are going to need next year's picks to restock their roster with affordable players, so they can counterbalance all the big contracts they added this year and before.

drew54 · 03-21-2004, 10:08 PM

Whoever they pick first, that kid better be a starter on opening day. If not then I think it was a wasted pick.

Someone like Taylor or Harris, but I think trading down and still landing that starter is a MUST.

Gmanc711 · 03-21-2004, 10:21 PM

I really dont like the idea of trading next years first rounder. We need to go into next year, in my opinion, with at least 6/7 picks ( including a first rounder ), I think the draft over the next couple years is going to be key to our success down the road, because you know we cant keep all the guys we have right now. If we can keep a core group ( ramsey/coles/Smoot/Jansen/Arrington) and bulid around them, I think that would be best. I just think we need to have a full draft one year, who knows if that will EVER happen though. We shall see

Daseal · 03-21-2004, 10:22 PM

I don't know if Harris (who got burried in big games) could even start for us early on.

Offiss, I thought that maybe the falcons would bite, they have a lot of holes to fill as we do, but if we give them a good deal they might give them to us. I'd love to see both these guys with us, I am curious about cap room, but don't forget we can still cut Trung and other expendable players.

I know a lot of people would like to see how Trung plays in a different system, but if it comes down to Taylor/Winslow and Trung it's a no brainer, in my opinion.

Shane · 03-21-2004, 10:26 PM

I will pass this along from another board - information that indicates we are probably going to draft Kellen Winslow, if he doesn't take Poston as his agent. Apparently it is confirmed also on that board (from a 1984 Redskins press guide) that Rennie Simmons does have a daughter named Karen who is about the age of the woman mentioned here:

"I have some interesting information to share with you all. A friend of mine, who is a Cowboys fan, just got back from a vacation in Myrtle Beach. He was playing golf and guess who he was paired up with? A woman and a man and and after talking for a while it turns out the woman is none other than the daughter of the Redskins TE coach. My friend was talking about the NCAA tournament and told them that he's not really a big fan of it but he likes the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys more.

At that point, the woman told him who she was, her name is Karen. Here's how the rest of the conversation went as it was relayed to me an hour ago:

She has a big southern drawl, looked like she was in her late 30's, and told my friend that her "daddy is very proud of his 3 Super Bowl rings and 2 NFC championship rings (one, perhaps with the 1998 Atlanta Falcons), that she thinks a motivating reason why Joe Gibbs got back into coaching is because his wife wants Coy Gibbs, the son, to get out of Nascar and into coaching and this seemed like best way into it for Coy, she told my friend that her "daddy was at Redskins Headquarters at midnight ready to fly on "Redskins One" around the country when free agency started and that they had a second plane waiting to "intercept a player who was bound for another destination" (a player who was not mentioned who was signed by the Redskins), she said she it had a "cool upbringing";got to go to exclusive football parties, etc......"

but, here's the part you'll be interested in....

eventually, my friend says "so you gotta tell me cause I got a friend in NJ (me) who would want some information....who are the Redskins looking at this year....."

he, (her husband), said her father was there to meet Kellen Winslow and watch him workout. He said that her father thought the workout was only OK but he has a really bad attitude and was set against him. But then........the Redskins arranged a private 2nd workout with Winslow where he "blew all the coaches away" and they were left thinking this was one of the best atheletes they have ever seen.

they talked about the agent, posten....and said that the perception on posten in the NFL and with the redskins through the media doesnt even scratch the surface of how much the redskins have "disdain for him". he told me friend that the redskins are watching the situation very closely and if Winslow signs with Posten, the Redskins will not even consider drafting him, but if Winslow goes with a different agent, they want to take him, that's how impressed they were with him."

03-21-2004, 04:57 PM	#11
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Trading next year's picks for picks this year would be crazy and I'd be against it. We can't afford both Winslow and Taylor. The Redskins are going to need next year's picks to restock their roster with affordable players, so they can counterbalance all the big contracts they added this year and before. Last edited by Ghost; 03-21-2004 at 05:00 PM.

03-21-2004, 10:21 PM	#13
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I really dont like the idea of trading next years first rounder. We need to go into next year, in my opinion, with at least 6/7 picks ( including a first rounder ), I think the draft over the next couple years is going to be key to our success down the road, because you know we cant keep all the guys we have right now. If we can keep a core group ( ramsey/coles/Smoot/Jansen/Arrington) and bulid around them, I think that would be best. I just think we need to have a full draft one year, who knows if that will EVER happen though. We shall see __________________ #21

03-20-2004, 06:27 PM	#1
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	How the draft should go Sean Taylor is a great player, and i would be happy if we took him at 5. I would also be dissapointed if we took winslow at 5. Vince Wilforks stock has risen due to his workouts, and tommie harris is moving up because of his 4.7-4.8 40 time. I feel that we could trade down to the 10 spot and pick up a 2nd rounder from the texans, and either get wilfork or Harris...at least one will still be there for sure. That is the weakest spot on our team...anyone agree?

03-20-2004, 08:04 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Not really. I don't see Wilfolk or Harris having the type of career or long-term impact that Taylor or Winslow would have. I think we need to go into this draft looking for talent. We can't fix every aspect of the team in one year and I think a lot of our defensive players deserve another shot under a real coordinator.

03-20-2004, 09:01 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Something tells me the Skins could pull something that we're totally not expecting...

03-20-2004, 09:03 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Matty, I can also see that, doing something no one expects. It really depends on what kind of picks we could get for #5. With the talent at WR they have this year we could go WR. Just because Fitz, Roy and Mike W. are just so good.

03-20-2004, 09:19 PM	#5
NFLNetwork No new threads for you Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 122	Draft Taylor...thats what we should do. Damnit, i just want a great safety! when was the last time we had a great safety in DC? Look at the impact rodney harrison had on the Pats. No one want to cross the field when u had a 6'3 monster in the middle

03-21-2004, 10:28 AM	#7
beg8878 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 46 Posts: 270	I really don't think we can go wrong either way.Taylor and Winslow should both be stars in this league and I will be thrilled to have either.....

03-21-2004, 12:23 PM	#8
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Ya Tayler is much more than just a safery, he's a playmaker. When he's in the game teams will fear throwing the ball deep, one because he's a ball hawk and he'll pick it off, and two he'll smother anybody who decides to catch the ball. Teams will have to game plan around him. Just look at some of the defense's in the league that are affected big time by good safties. Phil. Brain Dawkins Cowgirls Roy Williams NEw England Rodney Harrison Baltimore Ed Reed I just hope we can add dc to this list.

03-21-2004, 01:30 PM	#9
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I love Taylor. He's a team leader, a hard hitter, a coverer and a game changer. Skins009 did a wonderful job of showing how Offensive coordinators have to plan for him every time. However, defensive coordinators also would have one hell of a time with Winslow. Just look at how we deal with Shockey, lucky for us we have the talent we do at Linebacker and LaVar can really stick with him, however, most teams don't have a LB as versatile as LaVar and that's why Shockey was able to create havoc. DC's don't know if they should put a LB on him or a DB. He's too fast for most LBs and too big for most defensive backs. It leads to a lot of mis-matches and it causes so much headache for a defensive coordinator to have a versatile TE to worry about. Now, after saying that, I want both of these guys, but I don't really see that happening. Both will be stars as long as injuries don't set in. I would really like to see one of the two wearing burgandy and gold come this fall. I'm just glad I don't have to make the decesion as to which one to draft or I'd be asking Dan Snyder for a quarter to flip right about now.

03-21-2004, 10:08 PM	#12
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Whoever they pick first, that kid better be a starter on opening day. If not then I think it was a wasted pick. Someone like Taylor or Harris, but I think trading down and still landing that starter is a MUST.

03-21-2004, 10:22 PM	#14
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I don't know if Harris (who got burried in big games) could even start for us early on. Offiss, I thought that maybe the falcons would bite, they have a lot of holes to fill as we do, but if we give them a good deal they might give them to us. I'd love to see both these guys with us, I am curious about cap room, but don't forget we can still cut Trung and other expendable players. I know a lot of people would like to see how Trung plays in a different system, but if it comes down to Taylor/Winslow and Trung it's a no brainer, in my opinion.

03-21-2004, 10:26 PM	#15
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	I will pass this along from another board - information that indicates we are probably going to draft Kellen Winslow, if he doesn't take Poston as his agent. Apparently it is confirmed also on that board (from a 1984 Redskins press guide) that Rennie Simmons does have a daughter named Karen who is about the age of the woman mentioned here: "I have some interesting information to share with you all. A friend of mine, who is a Cowboys fan, just got back from a vacation in Myrtle Beach. He was playing golf and guess who he was paired up with? A woman and a man and and after talking for a while it turns out the woman is none other than the daughter of the Redskins TE coach. My friend was talking about the NCAA tournament and told them that he's not really a big fan of it but he likes the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys more. At that point, the woman told him who she was, her name is Karen. Here's how the rest of the conversation went as it was relayed to me an hour ago: She has a big southern drawl, looked like she was in her late 30's, and told my friend that her "daddy is very proud of his 3 Super Bowl rings and 2 NFC championship rings (one, perhaps with the 1998 Atlanta Falcons), that she thinks a motivating reason why Joe Gibbs got back into coaching is because his wife wants Coy Gibbs, the son, to get out of Nascar and into coaching and this seemed like best way into it for Coy, she told my friend that her "daddy was at Redskins Headquarters at midnight ready to fly on "Redskins One" around the country when free agency started and that they had a second plane waiting to "intercept a player who was bound for another destination" (a player who was not mentioned who was signed by the Redskins), she said she it had a "cool upbringing";got to go to exclusive football parties, etc......" but, here's the part you'll be interested in.... eventually, my friend says "so you gotta tell me cause I got a friend in NJ (me) who would want some information....who are the Redskins looking at this year....." he, (her husband), said her father was there to meet Kellen Winslow and watch him workout. He said that her father thought the workout was only OK but he has a really bad attitude and was set against him. But then........the Redskins arranged a private 2nd workout with Winslow where he "blew all the coaches away" and they were left thinking this was one of the best atheletes they have ever seen. they talked about the agent, posten....and said that the perception on posten in the NFL and with the redskins through the media doesnt even scratch the surface of how much the redskins have "disdain for him". he told me friend that the redskins are watching the situation very closely and if Winslow signs with Posten, the Redskins will not even consider drafting him, but if Winslow goes with a different agent, they want to take him, that's how impressed they were with him."

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